Jobs That ACTUALLY REQUIRE College Degrees - Ep. 38

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Ryan: Yeah, that's going to be at degreefreenetwork.com. You can sign up there. If you haven't already please like and subscribe, it helps get the word out there and get our message out to more people that being said, let's get into today's topic. Today, we are going to be talking about jobs that actually require college degrees.

Hannah: This is where I shine.

Ryan: Yeah. This is an episode that I think is going to surprise a lot of people. I think this episode is also going to get a lot of people really mad.

Hannah: Yeah. Yeah. It usually does. The inspiration for this episode is going to be a lot of the conversations that I have on Tik Tok with people about what they think and what jobs they believe actually require college degrees and me saying, Nope. It's very few. It's hardly any of them that actually require degrees, which just goes against everything that we're told for 12 years, you know, and in a primary, primary education.

Ryan: Yep. And so I guess, spoiler, there are actually jobs that do require college degrees.

Hannah: Yes.

Ryan: That's factual. The fact of the matter is it's not very many of them.

Hannah: No, there are not. And, and I think the one thing that we'll say before we get into this is I am positive. And I know for sure that there are going to be people that come out of the woodwork and say, well, you know, my job, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Every single time, it's like without fail. And sometimes, oftentimes those jobs are so specific. So it is written. I did write a little bit in this episode about specific jobs that are just really, really credentialed and paper heavy. And I can't list all of them because, you know, sometimes there's like 10 in the whole country. And so they don't even matter because there's, they're literally so few of them. That it's, it would be too top, too time-consuming and too complicated to sort through every subtype of every job family and find these 10 jobs because I'd literally have to go into the job description to find a double-check and it's just too, it's just too labor intensive. So we're gonna go with main topics like general jobs that most people, most people have questions about.

Ryan: Right. And to clarify does not that the people doing those 10 jobs don't matter. It's just that for the sake of this conversation to take into account 10 jobs for you know, however many million people in the workforce.

Hannah: Right.

Ryan: Right. It's a very, very, very small percentage of people and

Hannah: It's just not relevant to the overview.

Ryan: Exactly. And the chances are that we don't have, and I've said this before, like, I guess what we call or what I'm going to call like vocational creativity. Like, people don't even know that those jobs exist.

Hannah: Right. So you'd have to dig really long and hard to find them in the beginning. And if I don't know what they are, then finding something so small and so specific is just too difficult to write an episode.

Ryan: Yeah. And so here we are, and we are going to talk about the, very few jobs that require it, the fields in which they are. And then we're also gonna, give you some certain career paths that you could do it without a college degree. But if you're gonna go that way, you might want to consider getting one.

Hannah: Yeah. Or just not doing that job at all, because it's going to end up costing you either way. It's going to cost you too much time, or it's going to cost you too much money and you might not be able to make it up.

Ryan: Yeah. Well, I'm not saying anything about that as far as like the economics of it,

Hannah: Which is the time.

Ryan: I'm not talking about any of that. I'm just saying like, if you want to do that job.

Hannah: Might go to the school.

Ryan: You, yeah. Right. Nevermind the money. Nevermind the time.

Hannah: Yeah.

Ryan: That's not what I'm talking about. If you want to do those jobs, you need a college degree or rather it's a little easier

Hannah: Yes.

Ryan: To do it. It's a little more attainable to do it with a college degree, because there is as much red tape in front of you.

Hannah: Correct.

Ryan: And then, you know, you can listen to the previous episodes about whether or not college is a good idea or not for you, you know, you can make that decision on your own at that point. But anyway, so give it to us. What are some jobs that actually require a college degree?

Hannah: Okay. So, jobs in the medical field that require college degrees. We're gonna have doctors, obviously nurse practitioners, physician's assistants and registered nurses. As of now, you have to, you have to have a bachelor's degree to go into being a nurse. There are some nurses that are grandfathered in that hospitals are pressuring to go back and get their bachelor's to keep their RN status. So that, that's a, that's a whole other thing, but those are the four.

Ryan: Right. If you're trying to break into the industry right now.

Hannah: Correct.

Ryan: Right. Because yeah, there's a bunch of nurses. That all, that have been nurses for their entire career.

Hannah: Most of your experienced nurses went to two years of nursing school.

Ryan: Right. And they don't have degrees

Hannah: No.

Ryan: Or they didn't have, when they became nurses.

Hannah: It was classified as an associates degree, but it's technically just nursing school for two years

Ryan: And now they have to go and get a bachelor's degree to do the job that they've already been doing for 20 years.

Hannah: Not to go off on a rabbit hole, but the way that this is happening and you can look this up for yourself, but the way that this is happening is the colleges. It's amazing, it's amazing how they did this, but they realized that there was a whole bunch of professional workers, IE nurses that they could go back and basically forced to get their bachelor's degree. And so what they did was they went to the hospitals and they started to pressure the hospitals because it affects the credentialing of the hospital. If a certain percentage of their nurses do not have bachelors degree. So then the hospitals apply pressures to the nurses to go and get bachelor's degrees. When, again, like you said, they've been nurses for 20 or 30 years and obviously they, obviously they've been nursing successfully for the, you know, a lifetime basically.

Ryan: Yeah. But to bring it back on track, I guess. If you're going to do one of those things and to kind of paint with a broad brush, we can just say anything in that medical sphere. I mean,

Hannah: Really though, that's kind of deceptive because the majority of medical jobs actually do not require college degrees. Cause most of them are like mid to

Ryan: I'm just saying, I'm seeing anything above, you know, RN. RN and above you're gonna need or I don't know if a PA is lesser or greater than RN. I'm not sure, but

Hannah: Greater, it requires in, that it requires more schooling.

Ryan: That's what I'm saying.

Hannah: Yeah.

Ryan: Okay. So, RN and above, you're gonna need a, that's all I meant.

Hannah: Yeah.

Ryan: The things and, I think it goes back to what I said, like vocational creativity for the vast majority of people and you and I both know this for the vast majority of people, they don't even know the other types of jobs in the medical field.

Hannah: Right.

Ryan: Right? Like a lot of people don't even know what a phlebotomist is, right?

Hannah: Right.

Ryan: I don't even, I don't, I don't know how to spell phlebotomy. You know what I mean?

Hannah: It's a really fun word to say.

Ryan: Right. But that's an example of something that you can do in the medical field that you don't need a degree, but for the sake of, you know, you and I talk to people all the time about this, and I agree with what you're saying, but for the vast majority of people listening to this when they think of anything in the quote unquote medical field, they're going to think RN and above, because those are the people that you see. And, but a lot of times when you go into medical offices and you see people in scrubs, you just assume that everybody in there is an RN or above. Right. That's, that's what I'm saying. And so I'm not saying that majority of the jobs in the medical field don't require college degrees, saying majority of the jobs that people think of when thinking of jobs in the medical field.

Hannah: I agree with that.

Ryan: Require college degree.

Hannah: And this is one of those like vocational creativity, things you were talking about, where people just don't know what they don't know. Right? So they don't teach you that a good example of a job was I knew someone who was basically like a forensic lab technician. It was making more than the nurses, which was, I thought very interesting. And this is somebody who was trained on the job and was paid on the job and their job, which I thought was really cool actually is to take samples after surgery and to, to inspect and, and take samples and study, study different samples after they've taken something out of somebody and make sure that things are, you know, clear. And it's really interesting actually that they, that they do that. But there's like all types of jobs like that, where that's a professional medical job. You know, this person wear scrubs to work. They get paid more than a nurse, but they don't have a college degree.

Ryan: Right.

Hannah: This is somebody who was just trained practically to work in a lab.

Ryan: Right. But that's that anyway, that's a story.

Hannah: A whole of the thing.

Ryan: Yeah. A story for another time.

Hannah: Yeah.

Ryan: But RNs and above need college degrees.

Hannah: Yeah.

Ryan: And

Hannah: Now.

Ryan: Now, in order to break into the industry now.

Hannah: Correct.

Ryan: With that. I think we've done some research. I think we were trying to find ways to get around it, but I don't think there really is.

Hannah: You can be there. You might be able to find like rural places that have such a need for medical staff that they'd be willing to take an RN who doesn't have a bachelor's degree, just because they need hands so badly that they can't turn people down. Also for your travel nursing, there are a lot less picky as well. So a lot of travel nurses sometimes don't have college degrees because that, that's how they've gotten around the requirement.

Ryan: Yeah, but those are the people that have been grandfathered in already.

Hannah: Yeah.

Ryan: Yeah. So that doesn't really count. Right. I mean,

Hannah: Unless they're working at a rural place that doesn't require them. Yeah. So you need a, you need a bachelor's degree to be an RN now.

Ryan: Yeah. Pretty much. And even if there is a way to do it, it's kind of far and few between. So it might not be practical.

Hannah: In my opinion, throwing your weight against the, the medical licensure is just not really worth it. If you're trying to get into a job that requires a bachelor's degree or higher, it's just, it's in the United States. The college credentialing system of degrees is so heavily tied to medical licensure. Like I said, I think that will have to change at some point, but as of right now, that's just the reality of how it is. It's it's too complicated and too hard.

Ryan: Yeah. And we're not saying that if you want to go into these fields, then okay. Sign up, sign up for college right now. Because, you still have to do the math on whether or not it's going to be financially feasible. Right? I mean, just because you want to be a nurse or you want to be a doctor doesn't mean that you're gonna be able to pay off your student loans. Right? I mean, especially since you're going through so much schooling, right. I mean, I think we all know or at least I'll speak for myself. I know plenty of nurses that are waist deep or chin deep in debt. And, you know, they're making like 60 grand a year.

Hannah: Yeah.

Ryan: And they have like multiple hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of debt. And I'm like one I'm like, how do you even get that deep? Right. I mean, like, how do you even get that? But I mean, you and I both know how you do it. I mean, a mixture of federal and private student loans to.

Hannah: And send devices that charge you as much as possible.

Ryan: And will one, one is to pay for the student, like the tuition rather.

Hannah: Also living.

Ryan: And then living on top of it. Right. Which is rough, bro.

Hannah: Yeah.

Ryan: That's rough.

Hannah: It's, it's this is one of those things where if you're determined to go into the medical field, but you don't necessarily know that you want to be a nurse or a, or a PA or what have you. This is where the vocational creativity comes in. This is where you're going to want to look at other options.

Like you're gonna want to look for on the job training that may lead to an opportunity with a hospital that may pay for your gear, further training for the degrees. And that's different that's an entirely different thing. Because now, especially some cities that are really hard up for, for medical labor, that they are, they have different programs where you can look into this and this is going to be really individual, super regional, but it's worth looking into. Also, if you just want to work in medical field, you know, look into on the job training for labs, look into you know a, corner work look into being a midwife. Like, you can be a cert, you can be a certified midwife, a practical midwife without being a nurse in certain states. But look into, you know, look into being an EMT. Like if you really want to work medical, you know and you're intent on doing that. Look at other options that will get you cashflow positive, faster first, and allow you to work in patient care if that's really what you want to do. You don't have to be a nurse in order to do patient care.

Ryan: So, one of the reasons why we wanted to do this episode is because these are some of the jobs that people always bring up, but they're like, well, you can't be a doctor. You can't be a nurse without a degree. And they are absolutely right. Like, they're right. I'm not, we're not saying they're wrong.

Hannah: That's so, it's so funny just to go off on a tangent, but it's so funny because anytime that I point out that you don't need a college degree to get a good job, always without fail. The most frequent comment I get is, well, well, I guess I hope you don't need a doctor to operate on your brain and I'm just like, Do you realize how few people that actually is? It's so few people and saying that is not the same as saying that people shouldn't go to college to get, to become a doctor in the United States. Like that's just the dumbest, it's just the dumbest thing.

Ryan: So, what is the important numbers?

Hannah: So in total, if you count up all of the doctors, all of the physician's assistants, all of the RNs and then all of the nurse practitioners, you're looking at about three and a half percent of all US jobs.

Ryan: Right.

Hannah: Three and a half percent people.

Ryan: Which is a pretty good size, to be honest.

Hannah: Yeah, yeah. It's not like there's, it's not like that's not a lot of jobs it is.

Ryan: Right.

Hannah: Kind of, and not relative to all the jobs, but relative to, you know, this section of, of work. Yeah.

Ryan: Yeah. But it is nowhere near as large as people make it seem.

Hannah: No. You would think the way people talk about medical field, you would think that it would make up like 20 to 30% of all US jobs.

Ryan: We'll just the reason why we say that is because they're always, that is always the counter to you don't need to go to college, right? I mean, you don't, you don't have to go to college. Right. They'll counter is always, usually, well, what about, what about doctors?

Hannah: What if I'm gonna be doctor or nurse?

Ryan: Well, the chances of you being a doctor, I mean, this isn't you know, perfect math, but you know, if it's sub 4%, sorry. Okay. Right.

Hannah: It's like, all right. Well, good luck with that. I mean,

Ryan: Yeah, if you're for, if you're

Hannah: Go to college then.

Ryan: People out of a hundred and go to college

Hannah: The, the, the chances of whoever says that to be actually being on track, to be a doctor, I think he's like super low.

Ryan: Right? Right. Exactly.

Hannah: Like whoever saying that to me is like, probably works at it. Like is an office administrator somewhere.

Ryan: Well, I mean,

Hannah: Just like, what about doctors?

Ryan: Yeah, exactly.

Hannah: Yeah.

Ryan: And a lot of times, a lot of times the people that are saying that aren't doctors or are, or are not on track to be doctors

Hannah: Have no intention to be a doctor at all.

Ryan: Right.

Hannah: Yeah.

Ryan: Anyway, sorry. Rant over.

Hannah: Yes.

Ryan: But yes. So while it does take up a good percentage of the jobs out there, it is not very large.

Hannah: It's very small.

Ryan: Right. And so, okay. Medical field, let's just say, if you don't have the vocational creativity, which a lot of people don't, which I don't blame them because,

Hannah: Well, they don't teach us that.

Ryan: Right. Exactly. It's difficult.

Hannah: And you can't know what she don't know.

Ryan: Right, exactly. Right. Like, you just assume that the, you assume that the person doing your x-rays is a nurse. You assume that the person doing your sonogram is a nurse, right? I mean, you don't know that they're just attack and you don't like. Yeah. I was like, all right, you went to four years of school, right? No, I went to the two week class actually. Right

Hannah: Oh, how about that?

Ryan: As well, it's funny. The reason why I know what the phlebotomy thing was that actually, I, I just recently got my blood drawn and I saw a girl that used to, that I used to work with like 10 years ago in the restaurant industry. And we ended up sweet girl and we ended up, well, I see I'm saying girl, but she's older than I am.

Hannah: Lady.

Ryan: Right. So a sweet lady and we're like talking and she's like training still to, to draw blood and, you know, I don't care, whatever you got to, you have to learn at some point. Right. And so we're talking and I'm like, oh yeah, how, like, how have you been like, oh wow. When, when did you start doing this? And she's just like, oh, you know, like, well, COVID happened this was a while, this is at the beginning of COVID. I just like, well, COVID happened. And then the restaurant shut down. And so now, you know, I had to figure out what to do with my life. And so I was like, well, I'll just do this. She took like a two week class.

Hannah: Yeah. It's not hard to become a phlebotomist.

Ryan: Right, she just took a two week class and then now she's out here, like stabbing me, stabbing me with a needle.

Hannah: Literally any 18 year old kid can do that.

Ryan: Right. It was pretty funny.

Hannah: Yeah.

Ryan: But anyway, that's just a re like prior to that, for me personally, I thought that they were in.

Hannah: Any person in scrubs it's like no, most of them do not most people that you see in scrubs contrary to popular belief. Most people you see in scrubs do not have bachelor's degrees. Now you're welcome. Your next hospital stay is going to be real interesting.

Ryan: But anyway, so one of the next things we're kind of contradictory ourselves with not talking about really, really niche careers, but this one just really interesting.

So. The next one that we've seen, that absolutely requires a degree. Are gonna be astronauts.

Hannah: Guys. You cannot be a NASA astronaut without a college degree, without a master's degree in specifically math, physical science, biology or engineering. Those are the, those are the only four that'll get you in. There are no exceptions. And that's also cause it's like paramilitary kind of too. Like you can't, there's no way around that.

Ryan: Yeah, absolutely. It's super, it's one of those government, right?

Hannah: Yeah.

Ryan: And, so I think that's one of the things, that's one of the things that people bring up a lot. It's like those types of fields, but you know astronauts,

Hannah: No, this is one of those things like remember in school where you, you felt like quicksand was gonna be much more a part of your life. Like you're like, oh yeah. You know, like, oh, I'm just going to count her quicksand everywhere I go.

Ryan: Yeah.

Hannah: Like you thought that was going to be a real big part of your life.

Ryan: Right. Or you gonna catch on fire or like and you stop, drop and roll.

Hannah: Stop, drop and roll. You were like, oh man, like I gotta be prepared. Cause people just catch on fire. Right and left.

Ryan: Yeah.

Hannah: Like giraffes, like you thought giraffes were going to be super common your life.

Ryan: Which is hilarious. But the fire thing, because like I I'm a fireman and like I've been around fire. I've been like totally completely around fire.

Hannah: Have you ever stop, drop and roll?.

Ryan: Yeah, I've never, not yet.

Hannah: Do you think you would remember to stop, drop and roll? If you caught on fire?

Ryan: No, I wouldn't listen to the screaming, like a little girl.

Hannah: I'm glad we caught this.

Ryan: Yeah, I would literally, I would be like, Nope, I'm done. I

Hannah: Done for today.

Ryan: Yeah.

Hannah: Put the hose down we're finished. So anyway,

Ryan: Anyway,

Hannah: Ryan, how many astronauts do you think that there are?

Ryan: Well.

Hannah: Given, given your worksheets from elementary school, how many astronauts do you think that there are?

Ryan: Given I know the number already you know, it's a little biased, so my number's probably going to be a lot lower than if I didn't know the number, but I would say I would've thought they would've been, like, I don't know, in the US like 500, like, you know, less than, less than 500. But you know, a good, good amount.

Hannah: Right. If I had not known this, I would have been like 3000. There's probably 3000 astronauts. Right? That seems, that sounds reasonable. Right? There are 48 astronauts people. There are 48 active astronauts. There are 16 what they called manage, manager astronauts, which are astronauts that can't go into the field anymore, but stay at base and help maintain and monitor things. So we're looking at to be an astronaut you need a master's degree, but the good news is that only 64 people in the US are astronauts for NASA. So you're, you're, you're pretty, you're fine. You you're going to be okay. I think, unless, unless that's really your goal.

Ryan: Yeah, well, unless you want to be an astronaut. So,

Hannah: Yeah,

Ryan: If you want to be an astronaut,

Hannah: You need a master's degree.

Ryan: You need a master's degree.

Hannah: In specifically one of the things that they accept to be very specific.

Ryan: Go to college, if you want

Hannah: And that actually only if you can pass the eyesight, you're the right height and the right weight also,

Ryan: Obviously

Hannah: Yeah.

Ryan: You know that stuff,

Hannah: Yeah.

Ryan: You need your flight time.

Hannah: Right.

Ryan: You need your, you need your years of study.

Hannah: Correct.

Ryan: All that, all that prerequisite stuff.

Hannah: Yeah.

Ryan: But people are right when they do say that because, we ha we have heard this more than a couple of times, you know? Oh, well, you can't be an astronaut without it. And absolutely. Right.

Hannah: Correct.

Ryan: But there's only 64 active, actual astronauts in the, in the US.

Hannah: And then we thought that was, I kind of thought that was interesting too, because there are people who have done, you know, who have done and are doing what astronauts are doing now, you know, but they're not astronauts technically, even though technically they are. So that's going to give I'm sure over the next decade, that's going to give rise to a totally different thing to, as, as the need for more people to crew spaceships becomes more relevant and they're gonna have different criteria for those people.

Ryan: So what you're saying is that, there's more private companies doing it and they are, their job titles are not astronauts

Hannah: Correct.

Ryan: Or these, at least not the ones that we've found.

Hannah: They're not counted as astronauts.

Ryan: Right. Because the astronaut is a NASA,

Hannah: Term

Ryan: Job title.

Hannah: Correct. Yeah. Yes. That's exactly what I meant.

Ryan: Believe it or not. That is the end of our list.

Hannah: Yeah. Now we have the last section which is going to be honorable mentions. And these are, these are, as Ryan said at the beginning, these are jobs that it's, you probably want to go to college for these just because it's difficult. Possibly too difficult to do it without. Just because of the way the licensure is structured.

Ryan: Yeah. So what are those jobs?

Hannah: So those jobs are going to be civil engineer that one's not really surprising because it's heavily tied to it's really heavily tied to, you know, government, government work, which is heavily regulated and extremely, you know, bureaucratic heavy. So there's that. And then chemical engineer also the majority of chemical engineers actually work in academia. In research positions, I found. So and it's not like there's a lot of them, but relative to the amount of them that there are, there's actually quite a few that work in academia. And so because of that, again, academia heavily papered, you know, college credentialing. So it's difficult to get in without the papers.

Ryan: Yep. And it's not to say that you can't get in, right. That's not what we're saying

Hannah: And I'm sure people do, but they don't highly publicized that if they do.

Ryan: Yeah and positive, positive.

Hannah: Yeah.

Ryan: It's just, it's just a lot easier with, with a college degree

Hannah: Yeah, simpler. It's a much simpler way, which I guess people could make that argument for a lot of things. You know, it's easier to just get a degree, but with these literally, it's just too, it's too difficult to do it. The degree freeway, it just takes too long and it's it's too, it's too laborious at that point. And this is kind of where we get into what I was talking about at the beginning, which is like really specific formal scientific research and, you know, academic, academic scientific jobs, where you are going to need a college degree because they literally won't let you in without one. And it's just that simple. Again, these are too numerous, too specific and too varied to go into in much detail. But they represent a very small amount of jobs too. Especially if you, if you look at PhD level, programs. There's not a lot of those people and there's not a lot of those jobs and it's shrinking every year too.

So that, that's just something that's just not really, it's just not super relevant. And people that want to do that are just going to go get their PhD. So, you know, obviously go to college. If you need a PhD to do your research.

Ryan: And the last one that definitely comes up, you're going to need college degree to be an officer in the military. Right? I mean, there are other routes, which is kind of why we saved it for the honorable mention, but it's

Hannah: It's a little, it's a little,

Ryan: It's not necessarily apples to apples, right? Because it could be a non-commission officer and then you can also be a warrant officer that those don't require college degrees, depending on what you're doing,

Hannah: But to be an officer officer

Ryan: You do need a college degree.

Hannah: Right. That's just how it is.

Ryan: Right.

Hannah: And it's a military, so there's no moving it.

Ryan: Right, it's public, it's public work,

Hannah: Yeah.

Ryan: Or anything where you're having to do with pub, most public jobs don't require college degrees, but in order to get, like, to move up to specific jobs, do require, do require them at a certain point, or at least like you get, maybe not require them, but the prerequisites are gonna be less. So say if you want it to be a senior, whatever, or you want it to be like a senior manager in a public space. It might say, if you don't have a college degree, you need six years of experience. And if you have a college degree, any college degree, doesn't matter which one,

Hannah: Which we'll go into another time, how silly that is.

Ryan: Right. You know, it could be something in political science, it doesn't matter. Anyway. Then you only need two years of experience in that, in that role. And then you can get promoted. So, it's those are one of those, those are one of those jobs. Yeah. That's a little bit difficult to say exactly. If you need one or don't need one.

And there's like too many to list really, but anyway, that is pretty much it. As far as the jobs that actually require college degrees.

Hannah: Yup, that's it.

Ryan: And later episode we'll address all the other jobs or at least the ones that we hear the most often about you know, people thinking that you need a college degree in order to become one.

Hannah: If you do not have a college degree and you have one of the jobs that we mentioned, please let us know.

Ryan: Yeah, absolutely contact @degreefreenetwork.com. If you are a astronaut or a doctor or an RN.

Hannah: Or some sort of engineer.

Ryan: Yeah.

Hannah: Those are the ones that we really are, it's very interesting.

Ryan: Well very interesting is actually, we get, we've gotten,

Hannah: We've gotten a few engineers.

Ryan: We've gotten a bunch of people that have reached out. And, you know, told their stories. That was privately. We're not going to talk about it here.

Hannah: Yeah. You said, Hey, I work for this X large company. And I don't have a college degree and my coworkers don't know.

Ryan: Right. And so. That is, we'd love to hear from you. Please drop us a line. And if we missed any jobs that actually require a college degree too.

Hannah: Also let us know.

Ryan: Please let us know. I mean, I'm sure that I'm positive.

Hannah: We know that we did, because as we mentioned, it's everybody, anybody, you know, all you need is one person to say, well, what about this?

Ryan: Yeah, I'm positive that we missed literally like a thousand jobs.

Hannah: I'm sure.

Ryan: Right? I'm positive, but these are the ones that we hear the most of, if you're hell bent on becoming a doctor or RN, physician's assistant. If you're thinking about becoming an astronaut, if you're thinking about becoming an officer in the military, or if you want, one of those government roles that only hire college graduates, which there are, there are a bunch of right. It's mostly government that absolutely require it. Right. Or if you're thinking about being a chemical or a civil engineer, just because of the licensure, a lot of, a lot of engineering jobs are like that.

There are a bunch of engineers that I know personally that don't have college degrees that I knew before. These podcasts before we started doing this. But, you know, since we've also have people that have reached out to us as well to just let us know, but if you're hell bent on doing one of those jobs, it might make sense for you to get a college degree. If one of the reason why I say might is because I still think it's worth to do the math on whether or not you are going to make the right financial decision for yourself. Right. Because as we always talk about going to college, it requires time and money. Right. And if you're going to become a doctor, let's say, if you're going to, you know, you're going to have to go to get your four year degree, then you're gonna have to go to med school. You're gonna have to go to, you know, residency, you're going to have to specialize. It's a lot of, it's a lot of schooling. It's a lot of time as well. And at the end of the day, after you do that, after you do the math, you might, it might not make sense for you financially, but if you're not concerned about the financial aspect of it, then go to college.

Hannah: Yeah, exactly.

Ryan: Right. And we just wanted to give the flip side of what we're always hearing come at us. So that's what this today's episode is about.

Hannah: Yeah. And then, like we said at the beginning, if you want to get you know, if you want to see degree for news, companies that are starting to higher degree free and resources that we found to be really helpful at teaching yourself check out at degreefreenetwork.com and sign up for the newsletter. So you don't miss anything and yeah.

Ryan: Yeah, definitely. And also guys, if you guys haven't already please like and subscribe, it really gets other people to see our show. Get the information out there. If you guys want to get in contact with us, [email protected] is the best way to do it. [email protected] Like we said, if you have a job that requires a college degree, we'd love to hear from you. Like we'd love to hear from you. That would be great. Please drop us a line. If you are in one of those fields that we talked about. And you don't have a college here. We'd also love to hear from you.

If you just want to say hi, we'd also like to hear from you too.

Hannah: We would.

Ryan: Yeah. Anyway follow us on the socials I'm @ryankmaruyama she's @hannahmaruyama and the podcast is @degreefreepod. If you guys all right, I'll shut up now. I think that's it.

Hannah: I think so.

Ryan: All right. Until next time guys, Aloha.