August 31, 2021

How to Job Search Without a College Degree - Ep. 10

How You Can Search For and Find Great Jobs Without a College Degree

Here is What You Have to Do

In this episode, we talk about:

  • Picking your job goal
  • Narrowing down your focus to 2-3 jobs at a time
  • Applying enough to get a result

Ryan explains why being persistent is key to getting a new job, and how to prepare for disliking your job.

Hannah talks about how to go to a company website and do research so that you can be prepared for your interview.

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Ryan: Aloha guys, and welcome back to the Degree Free. We are your hosts, Ryan and Hannah Maruyama. On this podcast, we share fundamentals we've discovered and the mistakes we've made while self-educating, getting work, building businesses and making money. We'll tell you how to make it happen. No degree needed!

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Ryan: All right. Let's get into today's episode. So today's topic we are going to be talking about how to job search without a college degree. This is a question. It seems super simple and it is, but it's a question that we get asked a lot. People just don't even know where to start.

Hannah: Pretty amazing to me, the amount of so we're pretty big on Tiktok and we've got about, we've got about 30,000 followers on Tiktok now, which is really crazy. But on there, I would say that the most common question that I get asked is how to find jobs.

And usually the people asking are college graduates, which is baffling to me, that no one has taught them how to look for jobs. Like they don't know how to use, they don't even know how to use Google to find what I'm talking about which is real crazy. They've been just let loose on the world with no idea how to track down opportunities for themselves.

And so that's why we wrote this episode actually, because this is something that's key. If you can find things, even apply for things, but it's the finding things that you ha you have to figure out how to do that and how to look for them. In a different, in a more, I would say a more tailored way so that you can find, things that fit you and find things that maybe other people haven't found so that you can increase your chances of getting the opportunities you want, because not so many people were able to find them.


Ryan: Yeah. That makes sense about the people that are graduating from college, not learning how to search for a job. I graduated from college. I didn't—it's it's not something that you teach, right? It's not.

Hannah: I wonder about that though. I have a theory that they don't teach you how to find a job, because they don't want you to find a job.

They want you to buy a master's degree. And so they don't make money when you leave. They only make money when you stay. So it makes sense. They don't really train you how to find a job.

Ryan: I can see that is a conspiracy level.

Hannah: They're like, don't teach them that.

Ryan: It's not actually that hard to believe because it's capitalism.

That makes sense. Like it's, again. I understand exactly what you're saying and very quickly you could get to that conclusion.

Hannah: It's like Tide teaching people, how to make their own laundry detergent. They would never do that. They want you to keep buying laundry detergent from them.

Ryan: Yeah. Yeah. I agree. I agree. Like I hear what you're saying. At least I don't think it's not malicious.

Hannah: I don't think it's nefarious. I just think it's what they, I just don't think they do it.

Ryan: Yeah. I definitely don't do it. Like maybe, they'll have an extracurricular. Like a job fair.

Yeah. A job fair or not even a job fair.

Hannah: A workshop.

Ryan: Yeah. Like a workshop where they'll teach you this stuff.

Hannah: It should be a class.

Ryan: It should be mandatory because the reason why people were in college or to get employment at the end. And so I don't understand. I don't know why I had to take religion 151, or fricking whatever, go up to English 300 or whatever. You know what I mean? What the frick like I could have done. I would've taken a semester of just how to do this stuff. How to literally just not be like— how to enable yourself, I'll say in a positive spin, I'll say how to enable yourself into finding jobs because this stuff isn't this stuff isn't difficult.

It's super simple actually. And I think one of the things—there's just a progression in which you have to do. That it makes sense to start your job search. So people without a college degree for whatever reason, or if they're currently have a college degree. And they're thinking about going back, anybody trying to start the job search process the first thing is I think identifying your goal.

Hannah: Yeah. Yeah. You have to, what are you trying to do? It's a simple question, but a lot of people don't have the answer to it and, you need to figure that out. You can't just go out willy nilly into the world with no goal, because then you'll never know when you reach the goal and it's a lot less likely that you'll get a result if you don't know what you're trying to do.

Cause that goal can move. It's not that the goal has to be completely fixed and you can't move it, but you have to have some idea of what you're trying to do. Otherwise you're just wandering around. Doing whatever and never getting any traction. Really. And I think that as somebody who's not super goal oriented and had to learn that once I did I got more, much more effective in trying to get things done.

Ryan: Yeah. Because once you have a goal, you have something to shoot for. So I think there are three. I'm sure there are more, but at least what we've identified, there are three like main goals. And then that's going to be you should be thinking about whether or not.= You're doing this for money, you're looking for a job.

So you need to think. So there are three main goals and the three goals. It's not exhaustive. It's not a complete list, but these are the things that we think that we've heard the most of. And it's going to be, are you trying to look for a job that pays a lot of money or a certain amount of money? Are you trying to find a job where you'll learn certain skills. And then the next is going to be, are you trying to work in a specific industry? And so the skills in the industry are related they're similar, but they're different.

Hannah: Okay. So if you're trying to learn a skill and, this too, I'd really caution people here.

I think that a lot of people really get caught up in the "my job has to be my passion trap". I do think that people don't, I do think that a lot of us do, I would say that all of us do because in school they teach us to get a job that we're passionate about. The thing about that is a lot of jobs are not, you don't need to be passionate about them.

They just need to be done. And while that's an unglamorous and not fun view of the world, it's also a realistic one. And so for people that want to find a job that is there passion, you're going to have a completely different goal from somebody who's trying to make as much income as possible so that they can pay to achieve a passion.

These are different things. I would caution people who think that their job is going to be their passion to make sure that's true before they pursue that because if they do and you're pursuing a skill that doesn't pay well, you may very well box yourself in. Financially speaking. And if you want to be a potter as a good example, somebody who wants to learn pottery, right?

You can, you might be able to find somebody who's willing to pay you 12 bucks an hour to work in their pottery studio. That's probably less than you're going to make on the open market. If you're trying to earn a little bit more. And so for those people, you have to be really sure that you want to be a potter and that, you are okay with the amount of income you're going to earn by sacrificing the income to learn the skill.

There's nothing wrong with that at all. I just think people need to think about it a little bit more than they do nowadays.

Ryan: I think another point to learning a skill. It's not necessarily, although that is a very large portion of people that, that is want to learn how to become a potter or some other trade.

Hannah: I think there's a place for a lot of artisan type things like very specific skillsets.

Ryan: But also too, it could be you've identified that you need to learn a skill in order to get a bigger job in order to get a bigger job. And so right now, or this is getting a little bit, we're skipping ahead here, but if you were to identify a job listing that said that you needed to have skills—mechanical skills or something like that you go.

I dunno. I dunno what job would be when need mechanical skills.

Hannah: So that's a good example. So you will, let's say you want to work at Lockheed Martin, right? You want to work, you want to work on missiles or rockets or jets or something like that, and you don't have any experience in that field.

But you need some mechanical experience to get your foot in the door. Guess what? It's going to be way easier for you to get your foot in the door at a mechanic shop or fixing big trucking rigs than it is going to be for you to get your foot in the door at Lockheed Martin with no experience.

And then

Ryan: with that you may if, the, if this is where you want to go, if you want to go to this job, but you need these skills to get there. Yeah. Okay. Then, learn the skills, but you might not get paid. You might not get compensated for what it is that you want.

Hannah: You're not going to get Lockheed money while you're at the base mechanic shop trying to learn your skills.

Ryan: And there's nothing wrong with that. There's nothing wrong with that. And there's also nothing nothing wrong with those industries either. It's just British giving examples here. I think the next thing is going to be like, so people that want to work in specific industries, we see this a lot.

Okay. I want to work in the medical field. I want to be an engineer. I want to work in social work.

Hannah: This runs the gambit too. It's not a specific industry. It's just being specific to an industry..

Ryan: I'm a perfect example. A perfect example. Like I wanna be a fireman. Guess what? Guess what buddy, you're going to like, and that's fine.

That's great. But you're going to get paid firemen money. Do I get to ride around on firetruck all day? Yeah, I do. Pretty awesome. Licensed sirens. It's fun. Do I get paid very well to do it? Not really. I'm yeah. Average, pay. I'm not, I'm retiring anytime soon.

Hannah: This is a great example. That's a great example, because this is a point where people need to think. People need to really think critically about this before they start down this path. So let's say let's take Ryan's job. You want to be a firefighter. You want to be a firefighter because it's cool because you help the community because it's a steady job because it's really, it's been a dream of yours forever.

Now let's say you have really big life goals. Oh, like you want to buy you wanna own your own farm or you want to visit every country in the world or whatever it could be. It could be anything could be smaller, larger goals. Like you want to have a family, whatever. It doesn't really matter.

But you have goals that cost more than that salary can pay. So while you may feel that job is your passion, because we've been told that our job has to be our passion. You will quickly feel that you've been handcuffed into that industry. If you've done that to yourself and now you cannot afford to do your actual goal.

That's why figuring out what you're trying to do is so important because if your real goal is to be a professional Frisbee player and you need money to be in the league and time to attend the games but you can't because you're a firefighter and you don't have enough money to fly to Frisbee competitions wherever they are or whatever.

You're going to feel discontent with your job, even if you like it, because your job is not actually your passion, and you mix the two up. I think that's a little bit windy, but I do think that's important because a lot of people get those really confused. So it's, a good thing to point out when you're going through this like, how are you picking your job? How are you picking your job goal? Like, how are you looking for your job?

Ryan: One of the things with choosing work by industry is that it will handcuff you. Just defacto, it's going to close every other door and you're like, okay, I want to be a firefighter.

Hannah: That's not always bad.

Ryan: No, it's not bad. That's not bad. But it's going to close all the way other doors while. Okay. So now there's a, there's still a bunch of doors open, but there's only so many ways you can go about it. You can be a state firefighter, you can be a county firefighter, and you can be a federal firefighter. You can be a volunteer firefighter. Even a firefighter in the army and the Navy wherever in the Marines. I'm not sure.

Hannah: For an airport?

Ryan: Yeah, exactly. But you can't be a firefighter for doctor's office. Maybe you can be a firefighter for a chemical engineering plant or something like that.

There there are private companies that do private firefighting for like big chemical plants and stuff like that. So that's, I think what a lot of people do, I think what a lot of people do is just say, I don't want to tell people to not handcuff themselves, because if you want to work in a certain way, Okay, go work in that industry.

What we find happens a lot is that people don't know why they want to work at an industry, or they've never worked in the industry before in their life. They're like, oh, I want to be a doctor, but they've only ever been to the doctor.

Hannah: They've never been, they never had a hangout in an ER for 12 hours.

Ryan: It depends on what kind of depends on what kind of doctor you'd be called, but but you want to, become a, you want to become an EMT or paramedic, but you can't see blood. And it's I hate to tell you, man, but.

Hannah: This is a bad career choice for you.

Ryan: Probably not the career for you, my friend. So it just be, just being honest with yourself. If you are gonna pick industry why? Is it because you think you're maybe gonna make a lot of. In that industry, is it because a lot of people think they're going to go into STEM and they gonna be like, oh man, I'm going to make hundreds of thousands of dollars a year.

And it's just okay, and they get and they go into those fields usually with a degree. And then unfortunately a lot of those people are rudely awakened. They're like, whoa, I'm not making $250,000 like I thought.

Hannah: The STEM field has a very high rate of people who are not working in STEM and then they also have a high rate of underemployment for people who are working in STEM and so a lot of people get lulled into a false sense of security because that's such a talking point, right? Oh, STEM oh, STEM is great. No, the STEM guys are still making money. Eh, not so much anymore. Not so much anymore.

It's not that some of them don't earn high and it's not that they're not higher than the average college graduate, but the job outlook in that field is not what people think it is.

Ryan: Right. There. The supply problem, right? It's a supply problem. The college has diluted what a college degree is worth and we talked about this before there's too fricking many STEM people.

There's only so many stem jobs so somebody is going to have to do a non STEM field related thing. You know what I mean? Somebody's going to have to go be a firefighter. You know what I mean? Somebody is going to ask to go and It be a clerk in an office or something like that.

Hannah: That too this, brings up another point, which is that picking, picking wrong, not like wrong, in a moral sense, but wrong is an, it doesn't work out for you is much lower risk if you are degree free and you are just picking a job to earn money, it's much lower risk. So you're going to have a different risk profile than somebody who already has a degree.

And now they're picking a job and let's say somebody already has a degree. They have debt and they're pinging to learn, right? Somebody that has a college degree has college debt. They have bills to pay. They have debt, they got to pay down. And now they're deciding they want to pick a lot of people use this as a stereotype, but eighties, 80% of college graduates do not have STEM degrees.

So they're picking some humanities-type job that cause they want to learn or whatever, or they're like, oh, this is my passion, but it pays $29,000 a year. And then now they've trapped themselves because not only do they have the debt, but they pick job. They're like, this is my passion. You're gonna feel a lot less passionate about your passion when you can't afford your rent.

Ryan: They've painted themselves in there.

Hannah: They put walls up around themselves, but like it's, their fault, but it was, they were also told that was okay to do so it's it's, a whole, it's a whole mess.

Ryan: Yeah. And then the last thing I think one of the things we hear the most often is going to be the goal of money. Seeing is how money is. One of the largest reasons, generally speaking, super general, generalized one of the largest, if not, mostly the largest reason why we are working is to make money. That's the third goal, I think with this, I think it needs to be sad really, quickly about like it's okay that that is the goal. It's okay that making money is the goal. I think where it gets, a lot more difficult with these things. This is a little side note is where it gets a little difficult with all of these three things is when you're as, when you start to if you're just going to go into a specific industry.

Okay. You close all the doors. You, closed doors here, but like I said, I'm going to use fire-fighting. Cause I know that industry there's like literally the, probably 15 ways that you can go about being a fireman or firewoman. A firefighter. Okay. There, so you want to learn a skill.

Okay. You want to learn how to become an attorney? Okay. There's probably 10 different ways. Probably, way more than that. There's probably way more than that to become a mechanic. You know what I mean? There's so many infinite amount of ways to become a mechanic.

Hannah: Everything need to be fixed all the time.

Ryan: And okay, but you've closed the doors to other things because you're trying to learn that skill and then, okay, money. Now you've closed the doors to lower paying jobs. And so where, people find—when people say there are no jobs. When people say there are no jobs that pay well, what they're usually—the problem usually starts at the very beginning.

It starts with a goal. It starts with you want to work? You want to learn these skills in an industry where you make a lot of money. Okay. Now you've now, you've totally, you've closed every single door, except for and now you have to walk through those doors and it's super hard because everybody else is trying to walk through those doors and you don't have the skills in order to do that.

Hannah: Yep. What you mean is there are no jobs that pay $160,000 a year with guaranteed holidays and all benefits that you want with a flexible schedule that is in the music industry, that is about a specific instrument. That's what you mean. What you mean is the job that you want doesn't exist. And so that, that's why you're saying there's no jobs.

It's not it's because you went about it the opposite way from giving yourself options. In that you gave yourself basically one option. And then when you got to the point and you realized, oh wait, this isn't an option now. Now you're upset and no wonder, because you feel trapped, right?

Because you literally put yourself into a box and then close the lid on yourself. You're like, oh, there's nothing in here. Yeah. You made the box and then you climbed into it and then you close the lid. So that's, on you and, a lot of people, I think I can see how that becomes really scary though because then you realize that now you have to figure out how to, what to do from there. And then you already took on so much risk and he feels so trapped by the debt, and by the fact that you can't find a job, then now you're just like, oh what do I do? What do I do?

So a lot of those people are super stressed out.

Ryan: So I don't think I have to explain about what making a lot of money's about. I think everybody knows what making a lot of money is about. They want to make a lot of money. All right. So those are the three goals. You're gonna learn something, a specific skill, be in a specific industry or make a certain amount of money.

All right. Now, how do we do that?

All right.

Hannah: So this is where Google scholar training comes in. And what you're going to do, if you're trying to learn, you're going to look for whatever it is and jobs, it sounds laughably simple, but a lot of people don't, they don't do that. So what you're going to do again, we're going to use a pottery example.

You're going to say "pottery studio job, your location". Like you can go as granular as the city you're in, or you can go as as large the whole country, if, depending on how willing you are to get that job, you could move to it the way people move to get college degrees. But yeah, so if you're looking to become a potter and you need somebody who has a pottery studio to hire you, then look for pottery studio jobs—your your, your state, your city or county, your country. All right. So if you're trying to get into a specific industry, what you're going to want to do is very similar to that. You're going to look up. So let's say you want to get into oil and gas industry. You're going to look up. You could go as granular as like oil field jobs, or you could just say natural gas jobs, or oil and gas jobs.

And then you're going to, again, you're going to search location because what it's going to do is it's going to show you one, what jobs people need done. Two, it's going to show you the type of qualifications that people are looking for, people to fill those jobs. And then two it also, and then three, it gives you a trajectory of where you could go. Cause it's going to show you all for the most part of those jobs. It's gonna show you entry level jobs. It's going to show you mid-level jobs. It's gonna show you high level jobs, cause they're all going to be posted for the most part. And so you can see what's available to you where you can start, where you can go and where you can end up.

And that'll give you a good, full picture of what you could possibly do going in. Sometimes doing that will help you figure out or find a job that you didn't even realize was there. That you may want to aim for. And that's really helpful too. The income money one is probably the easiest. So what you can do is you're just going to put in 70k job, your location. Yep.

Ryan: Yeah, more money is the easiest because it casts the widest net. Correct? You're you're you're going into the biggest funnel.

Hannah: Yeah. Cause you're funneling by number.

Ryan: Yeah. You're just funding by number, right? Not by industry, not by whatever. Cause if you don't care, if you don't care about the industry, if you don't care about whether or not you have to go into an office, you don't care about whether or not you promote. If you don't give her, if you don't give a rip about any of that.

Hannah: If you don't mind, if it's contract, if you don't mind, if it's flexible. If you don't mind, if it's temporary, if it's part-time, whatever, you can pretty much find whatever you want.

Ryan: Right. The whole world opens up to you. And then now you're just trying to, now you're just trying to think, okay what, can I do? What, what of these jobs matches my skillset?

Hannah: One thing I hear a lot when I say this is people say cause I think Google recently, removed the salary filter from their job search, which I think is odd because I feel like that was a useful tool that they had. I have no idea why they did that, but they removed it. So what I would advise people to is when you're looking at entry-level jobs, there's no one site that is the authority for pay.

Yeah, I would use multiple sites. So if you're looking—so for me, when I was looking at my Salesforce administrator job, in order to find the average salary, I didn't just rely on one website. I looked at five to six and I wrote down the range. And then I found basically what was down the middle of all of them.

And, then from there, you at least have an idea of where you can negotiate or what you can expect. It's not completely reliable, but don't go in with nothing because that's not a good idea. They're going to low ball you, and then you're going to get paid less than you probably should. So I would definitely advise people if you're looking by income, make sure that you have done some market research on what the value of that job or skill set is.

That'll really help you a lot.

Ryan: Yeah. So at this point, it's of funny because at this point, people are like, what the hell? Like it what are you talking about? Like you just told me, you literally just told me to do the most basic thing, like the simplest, like you really? You literally, what a lot of people think what a lot of people say is they're just like, you literally just told me nothing.

Hannah: They don't do it though.

Ryan: I was like, wait a minute.

Hannah: They've never done it though.

Ryan: Wait a minute, have you done this before?

Hannah: And they never have.

Ryan: You've literally told me now that you didn't even tell him that's not going—okay.

Hannah: As an aside, something that really gets me too, is when people go, oh my gosh.

Like when the job, when I tell them that they need to apply to multiple jobs, they're like, oh, but I have to fill out the job application. It takes 10 minutes. I wouldn't hire you. You can't fill out a 10 minute form. I don't care if you have to do it every day, it takes 10 minutes. What's the matter with you.

They whine about the fact that it's not easy apply, which is basically where you click and it auto fills all your information. LinkedIn has started to do that a lot, but it's like, people won't apply to jobs because they're not easy apply. If I were, hiring mass employees, I would absolutely not put easy apply on because I don't want people who can't find the time to fill it in 10 minute form.

That's just their basic information. That's crazy to me. Anyway. Same thing though, in this, as people go, oh, it's so simple or all, I don't want to do that. Tough.

Ryan: So before. Yeah. So I just wanted to bring that up just before everybody's just cause we hear it all the time. This is useless, but it's like, it isn't, it really isn't, it's simple.

It's super simple.

Hannah: You should do it before you go get a college degree and that's for sure.

Ryan: This is super simple stuff, but it's, like, it's almost like we have to re-educate or just to completely educate or give permission to do these simple things. It's what we're talking about is literally just going to Google typing in some words, and then figuring it out from there, testing stuff, trying stuff.

So once you figured out the goals, once you've started doing that I think the main thing is to—basically try to, as I said before, try to cast as large of a net as possible. Don't, be hooked on one job, one job at one specific company.

Hannah: Because then you do the same thing. You're closing doors.

Ryan: And okay, you want to become a—I'm I'm not sure like I said, we want to be, I would just use my industry.

You want to be a firefighter? All right. Don't just be, don't just say all, I want to be a firefighter for the city and county. You can go into a surrounding county and be a firefighter. You can go into a— you can go into state firefighting, federal firefighting

Hannah: Here, you can apply in different islands. They have their own fire departments.

Ryan: Whatever, surrounding counties. And so that goes into, and so this is goes into the next thing, which is like, picking a few different companies and applying to multiple jobs. You're going to need to apply to multiple jobs here. If you're lucky, if you're lucky and you get hired at the first one.

Great, There's no need. There's no need to do all the rest. Most people don't. That's not the experience.

Hannah: This is why your Googling matters too. So you can assess how many jobs are open. If there's a lot, your chances are better, right? If there's just one, there might be more people applying for that one job.

But if there's I don't know, a hundred listings for the same job type and you're applying your odds are going to be much better. And then if you're applying to two to three different companies and you've done your research. You've gone to their website. You've read about their history.

You've looked up who the hiring manager is. You have an idea what they do in your community. And this sounds like major, it's not just open a word document and copy and paste and two to three sentences about the company or what they do in your community or in your state or whatever. And then as much as people don't want to do it, write a cover letter that's specific to that company that tells that company why you think they're a good company and why you're excited to apply for this job.

What that does is it effectively spreads your risk over two to three companies instead of just one, because if you miss one shot and then you turn around, you're like, there's no jobs. One time. You did it one time. You need to do it multiple times and you have to put, you may have to apply way more. You're probably going to have to apply way more than on average you have to apply a hundred times to get one job interview. So working in chunks to do that little bit of research, and it doesn't have to be major like 30 minutes on the website. If you do this two jobs a day. You can at the end of a week 14 jobs. That's, good numbers.

Ryan: Yeah. And I just want it to be clear about what you're saying, which is not saying to just apply to two to three companies, but to just break it up into into chunks and exactly what you said, I'm going to apply to two jobs a day, or I'm going to try, I'm going to apply it to five jobs a week, whatever it is.

And going that way because yeah, your chances are you are going to have to be very persistent and it is of great value. When, if there is an opportunity on these applications to be specific of why you should get the job, that is your chance to shine instead of just doing boiler plate template stuff that everybody else is doing or that you did for every single other job, take the 20 minutes to be like, this is how I prefer.

This is how I prepared myself for this job. Even if you don't have any "relevant experience". Just tailor, tailor what it is that you've done in your life to fit that job description.

Hannah: Yeah. Which you can do by breaking it up into chunks and doing the research, but you say, oh, I noticed that you folks that you folks do a lot of work with tutoring.

I see that you, give back to this tutoring group in our local community. I really liked that. I tutored when I was in high school, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, people don't realize that forming that sort of personal connection, especially depending on who's reading your resume. Because if you're validating this person, this HR person's choice that they work for a good company, it makes them also feel good.

And they're more inclined, I think, to call you back, because what you're doing is you're saying this is a good company, and now this person feels validated in their choices and they, have a good feeling about you instead of a bored one. And I think telling a little bit of a story and, in that cover letter, I'm talking like one to two paragraphs max.

Tell them the story, tell them what you did, tell them why you care about their company. Tell them why you think they're awesome because that's going to reflect on the person reading your cover letter and resume.

Ryan: Yeah, I think that's a perfect place to segway into the last thing, which I touched on earlier, but it just be persistent.

Just apply, keep applying. Yes. Be persistent at the same job. Yes, be persistent of applying to different jobs at different companies. Just be persistent and keep applying. As you said, on average it takes a hundred applications to get one job interview. Don't get discouraged. It's very easy. It's very easy to get discouraged.

Especially nowadays you just sit at a computer. In your underwear and you're just keep hitting the same button that you've been, that you've been pressing for weeks.

Hannah: That's the worst. It's so boring.

Ryan: Yeah. And it's the same thing that you've been doing for weeks and weeks. You don't even have to put pants on and go and hand your resume.

So just be persistent. Keep applying. Come up with a system, come up with a way to if you've got a mood adjust, if you're feeling down, go outside, go for a walk and then see the grass and then get it done. You would think it sounds silly, but it's absolutely crucial.

It's absolutely crucial. I think it's a perfect place to wrap up. Today's episode of how to job search without a college degree.

Super simple. Define your goals.

Hannah: Not easy, but simple.

Ryan: Super simple. Yeah. Define your goals. Yes, it is as easy as Googling skill, city. Yes. Industry city, state, whatever country, job salary, like salary requirements, city, state promote, whatever. Basically. The broader your goal, the bigger your funnel or the bigger your net.

However you want to think about it, the more options you have. The more options you have, the more you can possibly get hired. Being clear about those are the first step. And like I said, where people start to find—where people start to find that they're saying there are no jobs. It's when they start combining all three of those things.

I want to learn these skills in this industry with this amount of money. And then it's ah, there's no jobs. You're like, wait a minute. There's plenty of jobs. You've just eliminated.

Hannah: You've cut way too close, way too quick.

Ryan: Yeah. Too specific. Maybe if you, If you're having experience and you're like a C-suite executive and it was like different, but you're probably not listening to this podcast.

Hannah: We are not, your people.

Ryan: Keep doing what you're doing. Just keep doing what you're doing,

Hannah: let us know if there's anything you can tell us.

Ryan: And then the biggest thing after that is just creating systems, being persistent, creating systems to pick a few companies at a time applying, it's going to be, it's going to be arduous.

I hope it's not for you. I hope it's not for everybody, but likelihood of it happening of where you don't get calls back for a while is probably pretty high. And because of that, just stick with it, just stick with it. Be persistent, come up with systems, do it in bite sized chunks, you do two to three, two to three, a day, five a week, six a week whatever, your system is.

Just come up with it and stick to it. Also tailoring your resume, your application, and trying to stand out as much as possible once you get to that point. And so I think that's pretty much it.

Hannah: Yeah, that's all for today. Thank you so much for watching. If you found any of this actionable and now you want some more information or you want it all put together, please check out

It's got all of our other episodes in video form and transcript form, and most importantly our guide where you can get all of this in a PDF document that you can download and keep forever.

Ryan: Yeah, absolutely. All right, until next time guys. Aloha.

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