November 22, 2023

Debunking the College Monopoly: How To Pursue True Education & Get The Job You Want (DF#124)

Debunking the College Monopoly: How To Pursue True Education & Get The Job You Want

Exploring Alternative Education To Land Your Dream Job

In this episode, we explore the myth that college is the only path to education. We emphasize that education can be obtained in various ways and locations, challenging the idea that colleges monopolize knowledge.

We also delve into the increasing financial literacy and cost-consciousness of the younger generation, questioning the value and affordability of college.

What You’ll Learn:

- The perception of college as synonymous with education is debunked, highlighting the flexibility of learning outside traditional institutions.
- The influence of parents' experiences with college on their children's decisions is explored, questioning the relevance of a well-rounded education in today's job landscape.
- The importance of soft skills and the trend of hiring individuals with specialized skill sets is discussed, emphasizing the value of adapting to the evolving job market.
- Examples of disappearing jobs due to advancements in technology, specifically AI, are given, prompting us to stay informed and adapt to new technologies.
- Understand the importance of tailoring education to personal interests and becoming a well-rounded individual.
- Discover strategies for upskilling and transitioning into growing job categories, while emphasizing the importance of mindset and skill set.

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Episode Summary:

In this podcast episode, Hannah and Ryan Maruyama talk about how college is not the only way to pursue education. They point out the high cost of college and the financial literacy of young adults who are aware of college debt.

They suggest alternative ways to further education outside of traditional schooling. The conversation explores the value of college and how it is influenced by past experiences. It discusses the trend of young people questioning the necessity of college and the disconnect between degrees and job requirements.

They emphasizes that education can be obtained through various means and emphasizes the importance of soft skills. The World Economic Forum released a report on disappearing jobs due to AI and automation. The report mentions jobs like bank tellers and secretaries that are being replaced by technology. It encourages individuals in affected jobs to transition to new roles. The report concludes that emerging industries will create new roles to make up for disappearing jobs.

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Action Steps & Recommendations:

    1. Consider alternative ways of pursuing education outside of traditional college, such as joining public speaking groups or attending language meetups.
    1. Take classes or lessons in areas of interest to further education and develop skills.
    1. Develop financial literacy and be aware of the potential debt associated with college before making a decision.
    1. Tailor education to individual interests and focus on becoming a well-rounded person through self-education.
    1. Analyze the necessity of college and the job requirements in the current market before committing to a degree.
    1. Stay informed about the future of jobs and the impact of AI and automation on different industries.
    1. Embrace upskilling and adapting to changing job markets to secure future roles.


  • 00:00:25 - College is not a synonym for education
  • 00:01:55 - Gen Z and Gen Alpha are price-sensitive to the cost of college
  • 00:02:41 - Education is not limited to college; options for self-education
  • 00:11:36 - The value of college and its perception by different generations
  • 00:13:51 - The importance of soft skills in the job market
  • 00:17:09 - The misconception that college equals education
  • 00:23:33 - The future of jobs report 2023
  • 00:23:59 - 7 jobs that are disappearing the fastest
  • 00:25:29 - Bank tellers, secretaries, and cashiers
  • 00:35:14 - HEB grocery store and changing labor dynamics
  • 00:35:50 - Increase in curbside pickup and delivery shoppers at grocery stores
  • 00:37:01 - Automation in fast food drive-throughs and increasing revenue per square foot
  • 00:46:05 - Request for feedback on episode format
  • 00:46:51 - Encouraging audience contribution
  • 00:47:08 - Invitation to sign up for newsletter

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Episode Transcript
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Ryan Maruyama [00:00:00]:

Education isn't as rigid as college is. So college doesn't equal education. It doesn't have to take you as long as college takes you in order to learn whatever it is that you're learning. Hello, folks, and welcome back to Degree Free. Great to have you back. Let's just jump right into it.

Hannah Maruyama [00:00:25]:

Alright. What I wanna say today is college is not a synonym for education. This has been the theme of my week on TikTok with multiple different comments and multiple different conversations, and I'd like to go over this a little bit more in-depth. So I'm gonna say this again so people actually hear it. College is not a synonym for education. If you purchase a paper from a college, it is very possible that you will come through that system and be educated because what you are purchasing is you are purchasing access to information from a business. You can purchase access to information from a business from anywhere. It's 2023.

Hannah Maruyama [00:01:01]:

You can educate yourself any which way you want, anywhere you want. So this is something that I've been talking to a bunch of parents this week As I'm going through making our custom career road maps for teenagers who are about to graduate high school, and this is something that's come up multiple times. Because as these parents and these kids have been going through and sorting through what jobs and what Skills are gonna make sense for them in order to make a living, because their main objection to college right now is just the cost. And most people can't justify it because the cost is just far too high. And something else too I've noticed is as I'm having these conversations, Gen z and I think it's Gen Alpha. I'm calling you guys kids, but you're not really you're new adults. That's what we're gonna call you. But these young and new adults are very much extremely aware and extremely price sensitive to the cost of college, which is something that's really surprising to me.

Hannah Maruyama [00:01:55]:

Because I feel like when I was that age, I was not nearly as financially literate as these kids, but they're very much Columns looking at the cost and doing the math and just saying I can't do that. I don't want to do that. They're afraid of the debt, and that is very interesting me, it's just something that most people wouldn't know unless you sit down and you talk to them about this decision. And I've been able to have that opportunity over the past week. But I was having a conversation today with an 18 year old girl and her mom. And when I was having this conversation, after we sorted through the skills that she's gonna be learning, We talked about how she can further her education outside of her work and career. And this is something that I care very much about because I patently just reject the idea. And I reject this idea because it's just not correct.

Hannah Maruyama [00:02:41]:

But college Does not have a monopoly on education. They are not the gatekeepers. You can't paywall education. That's not something you can do. Education is something that anyone can pursue any way and anywhere they choose. Colleges do not own it. They never will. They never have, and they still don't.

Hannah Maruyama [00:03:01]:

And this was a really cool conversation we had today because we talked about, basically, a menu of options where her daughter could Could continue her education outside of work. And so a couple of the options that I went over was these are just well rounded academic skills that, truthfully, they don't really teach in college, but public speaking is a big one. I know sometimes you get give presentations and stuff like that, but You can join Toastmasters or a local public speaking group and work on your presentation skills, work on being polished and professional, and being able to present to a group of people. This day and age, if you can articulate your ideas and you can speak to a group of people, you have a superpower. I Struggle to do this. I can speak on camera, but I really have a hard time speaking in front of a group of people because that is an extremely valuable learned skill That you just have to polish, and it takes education to do that. Another example was language. Language meetups are extremely prevalent.

Hannah Maruyama [00:03:57]:

And if you self teach in a way that is, like I said, has never been so available with all of the apps and all of the software that's available now. But if you start self teaching a language and then you go to a language meet up frequently, you can learn a language much faster than you would if you're learning it in a formal class. But if you are cash flow positive and you are not under the weight of student debt and you're not under the weight of trying to take this ridiculous course load That's full of classes that you don't need, that you don't even care about learning, that you're doing because you must in order to get this 4 year degree that takes you five and a half years. You can actually pursue other things. You can take chess to learn critical thinking. You can start dance classes. You can take music lessons. You can take singing lessons.

Hannah Maruyama [00:04:44]:

You can take painting classes. These are all things that if you are making money and you are not strapped learning something that you're not interested in, that you don't care about, That's not actually part of the education that you want to create for yourself. You don't have to. And using that time, mental energy, and money, You can actually educate yourself and tailor your education in a way that you would like to and become an extremely well rounded person. And And then not not even just add to this list reading. You just read. And I know a lot of people in college, you read, but you only read what you're supposed to read. You don't actually read things that you care about.

Hannah Maruyama [00:05:21]:

So I'm I'm just very passionate about this topic. So

Ryan Maruyama [00:05:24]:

Yeah. That's awesome. You came out swinging there. I have a bunch of things that I wanna get to myself. What's funny is I thought I was just like, well, are we gonna start this episode? How are we gonna start this episode? I'm just trying new new things. So, please, everybody, let me know how you would like me. If you have been listening to this podcast for a while, let me go to YouTube and tell me if you like when I do the Aloha folks. Welcome back to degree free, and they kinda just talk, do the intro, or if you just wanna jump right into it like how we did today.

Ryan Maruyama [00:05:57]:

I I'm not sure how I felt a lot, and I wasn't really sure how we were gonna come into it, but you just came out swinging. So that was great. There is a lot that I wrote down while you were talking, and there's a lot that I wanted to get get to Myself, I have a few points that I wanted to get to this week as well. But as far as, you know, you're talking about, like, the rows and columns of the new adults, the rows and columns, And the reason why for everybody listening, new adults, young adults, we're still workshopping a name, something similar to degree free. The reason why we're we have to create this new language is because there is this widely accepted term, college aged kids, which is just crazy, and we all know what college age kids are. They're supposed to be 18 to 22, but, really, it's like 18 to, I don't know, 26, you know, 18 to 35.

Hannah Maruyama [00:07:00]:

When I hear that term to college age kids when I hear the term college age Kids, it makes me cringe. It makes me sound it makes me feel like, I wanna shake people and go, how would you feel if they said these are Fruit Roll Up age kids? That's a crazy thing to say. Oh, these are Lucky Charms AIDS kids. You know what I mean?

Ryan Maruyama [00:07:17]:

You're saying, like, to to associate it with a business.

Hannah Maruyama [00:07:19]:

Yes. It's so insane. Like, these are These are diesel fuel adults. What in the world is that?

Ryan Maruyama [00:07:26]:

That's awesome.

Hannah Maruyama [00:07:27]:

That's crazy. Yeah? Yeah. Is that not insane? Anyway, that's how it sounds to me when like, how in the world have we let an industry just be, like, yeah. These are ours.

Ryan Maruyama [00:07:35]:


Hannah Maruyama [00:07:36]:

What are we talking about?

Ryan Maruyama [00:07:37]:

Good for them.

Hannah Maruyama [00:07:38]:

Yeah. No. No. No. Because they just checked the default. They're like, oh, yes. Default. College age adult.

Hannah Maruyama [00:07:43]:

What are you doing?

Ryan Maruyama [00:07:44]:

Getting back to those new adults in which you were talking about with the rows and columns and how they are much more analytical about the decision to go to college. My first thought after you said that is I wonder if it is sort of like skipping a generation. Right? So, like, I think of it like generational wealth, whereas, like, they say wealth skips a generation. And the theory is is that, well, This poor person had to work their way up from nothing. Right? This poor person had to work their way up. They had that hunger in their belly, and it was that hunger that made them successful and made them wealthy, made them rich, whatever rich means to you. And because they had that, they were able to become rich and now their progeny offspring, whatever their kids are not hungry. They don't have that fire in their belly.

Ryan Maruyama [00:08:41]:


Hannah Maruyama [00:08:41]:

they've never been hungry.

Ryan Maruyama [00:08:42]:

Exactly. And because their parent, The poor person who is now rich doesn't want their child to go through the same thing that they had to go through. They don't want them to have to go through and be like, oh, man. I have, like, this 47¢ ramen, and that's my food for today and tomorrow. You know what I mean? So I better split this thing in half. And, like, they don't want them to go through that, and so they're just going to provide. But because of that, they don't have that hunger in their belly. They're fed.

Ryan Maruyama [00:09:11]:

And because they're fed, they're satiated, and then it doesn't go well where they're trying to create wealth for themselves. That's the theory at least. And then the next, they become poor or they don't steward their money well, and then Their children

Hannah Maruyama [00:09:26]:

Are hungry again.

Ryan Maruyama [00:09:27]:

Are hungry again, and so they become wealthy. So in that same vein, I wonder how much of it is college is such an institution now, and the access to college has never been greater because of student loans, whatever it was. 52, 67, one of those years.

Hannah Maruyama [00:09:45]:

Yeah. 67.

Ryan Maruyama [00:09:46]:

And they made federal student loans. Right? And so because of that, Now we are seeing generations that have had access to college, whereas prior to that, A lot of people didn't have access to college. And we've talked about this before. That is where, at the time prior to the Internet, that is where the knowledge was. They had the laboratories. They had the libraries. They had the books. That Yeah.

Ryan Maruyama [00:10:15]:

Exactly. They had the computers. That is where the knowledge was, and so that's where people went. And so When the access started to open up, people flooded in, and then they've they flooded in. They got their degrees, and then it turned out great for them. It turned out great. That's awesome. It turned out so great that when they had kids, they told their kids to go to college.

Ryan Maruyama [00:10:40]:

Right? And then their kids told their kids to go to college. Anyway, the whole point of this is that my thought is after hearing that Is their parents, the parents of these gen whatever, you know, these new adults Yeah.

Hannah Maruyama [00:10:52]:

So they're gen x, the parents that I'm talking to.

Ryan Maruyama [00:10:55]:

They got burned by the college system. They got burned and took on all this debt. Their eyes are open to the system. Because their eyes are open to the system, because of their own life experiences, their parents made them go to college. Right? And they said, Your life is going to be better because you go to college, because their life was better, because they went to college. Right? But then we've talked about this many times before.

Hannah Maruyama [00:11:21]:

And when there's 8% of the population that had college Degrees.

Ryan Maruyama [00:11:23]:

And the decision that they made to go to college was 40 years ago.

Hannah Maruyama [00:11:27]:

Right. It's all the way in the past, which by the way, people, is how they sell the value of college now. They're using the That's of the baby boomers and the silent generation who went to college.

Ryan Maruyama [00:11:36]:

So you're giving advice 40 years in the past, 30 years in the past.

Hannah Maruyama [00:11:39]:

Like, yeah. Look at how successful this was 40 years ago.

Ryan Maruyama [00:11:42]:

Literally a generation behind. And so because, you know, if they're 18 year old kids, I'm assuming that their parents are in the 44. You're 25 years old, so 18. So somewhere in the 45 range, let's just say, in the forties range, Their parents went to college. It worked out well for them, forced their kids to go to college, which is the parents now. And they were like, Wow. This didn't work out for me, and whatever it is I'm doing now doesn't actually require the college degree. It doesn't require the debt, and it is spiraling out of control.

Ryan Maruyama [00:12:20]:

And that is why the kids nowadays are looking at it at a much more analytical thing, I think. I'm not sure.

Hannah Maruyama [00:12:27]:

I think you're right. And, honestly, what's so crazy about that is you, without having talked to these parents, have pretty much nailed on the head exactly their professions as well, which is they don't require college degrees. A lot of them have them, but then they had to go into something else.

Ryan Maruyama [00:12:43]:

Because that's everybody. That's everybody of that generation.

Hannah Maruyama [00:12:45]:

Right. I just wrote a stat that said 27% of people actually end up working anywhere near their major. And that's after all of that.

Ryan Maruyama [00:13:00]:

Know, You were talking about being educated, and you were talking about these general life skills that one should have in order to be educated. The way that I think about it is, like, well rounded. Is well rounded really what we need now? Doesn't matter is the point. So I don't have a horse in this race. Right? All I know or all I think I know is that soft skills matter. Right? And so where do soft skills fall within this. Right? Does that mean you're well rounded, or is that a specific set of skills that's different? I'm not sure. But this reminds me of a conversation that you and I had a year plus ago with a CEO of a multibillion dollar company, And we were talking about people in the job market today and whether or not they needed to be well rounded or not.

Ryan Maruyama [00:13:51]:

And the CEO, The company that he runs is very much in the job space. His finger is on the pulse of everything that's happening in the job space and what skills are necessary and who's getting hired and everything like that, which is why he Got in contact with us, which is he completely agrees with what we were saying because he can see it in his data of his company.

Hannah Maruyama [00:14:17]:

Right? Real quick before we go into more of this too is The thing that stood out the most from that conversation was he told us that companies do not hire people that look like their job descriptions. That was the biggest takeaway other than the fact that also, he was just a super cool person. But the biggest takeaway from that conversation was Companies do not hire people that look like their job descriptions. There's a complete and utter disconnect between what they post and who they hire.

Ryan Maruyama [00:14:41]:

Yep. Absolutely. And That's awesome because he has the data on that.

Hannah Maruyama [00:14:46]:

Yeah. This is not a guess. This is not a hunch. This is him looking at high quality, extremely far reaching data and saying that's not what they do. That is not their behavior. They can say whatever they want. That's not what

Ryan Maruyama [00:14:57]:

they do. This is the job description. And this is all the requirements, quote requirements that it says. This is the description that it says, and this is the resume of the candidate that you actually hired. And then they match that up and they're like and they do that however many times they do that a lot because there's a lot of people on the platform and companies don't hire, which is why he reached out, like I said, which is why he's like, yeah, this degree free thing absolutely is true, has legs. Don't need to go to college. It's not really necessary to do that in order to get hired and have a good job. What we were talking about in the context of What you were talking about, which is general education is what he sees is that in the job market now, people are getting hired for singular skill sets much, much more.

Ryan Maruyama [00:15:45]:

And so what he called pointy, and I think that he took that from

Hannah Maruyama [00:15:51]:

My 1st million. Right?

Ryan Maruyama [00:15:53]:

No. No. No. No. No. He took that from Accenture CEO or something like that.

Hannah Maruyama [00:15:57]:

Oh, yeah. Pointy people. I remember reading the article Well, now

Ryan Maruyama [00:16:00]:

And so I think he took pointy people from Accenture CEO or something like that. It wasn't his term, but I forget who so I don't know who to attribute it to, but it was pointy people, which is people that have skills in 1 area. So once again, there's a basis of skills that you need, which is you need the soft skills. As we've talked about many times on this podcast, soft skills is what's going to matter in the future with AI coming in and taking everybody's jobs quote. Right? Soft skills is what's going to matter. So that's just the basis of what we need. And now if you have that, Do you really need to be rounded on the other end, or do you need to go and just learn a set of skills that are in one domain?

Hannah Maruyama [00:16:47]:

So this is a really important conversation because this is the crux of the issue. Because colleges want to have their cake, and they wanna eat it too. They want to say, you have to buy this thing in order to get a job. That's not true. That's not true at all. So now they have to say, we are education. Right? So they have to be both. And in reality, they are neither.

Hannah Maruyama [00:17:09]:

And so what's happening is people are confusing and conflating these things together. So these are 2 separate questions, I think. I think, do you need to be a well rounded person in order to get work? No. Do you want to be a well rounded person for yourself to be an educated person because you value education? You value the act of being educated. You value the pursuit of education, and you want to be someone who has a breadth of knowledge about certain things that you believe to be the qualities of someone who is an educated individual. And that, I think, is a different thing entirely.

Ryan Maruyama [00:17:47]:

Yeah. Sure. I'm not sure where that second one comes into play other than your own ego. Right? Like, other

Hannah Maruyama [00:17:54]:

It doesn't. It's it's completely internal, I think. And and that it's important though because this is where you have to address this because people feel like if they don't buy a college degree, they're risking the ability to get a job, and then they're risking their ability to be educated. They think that they can have neither of these 2 things, and both are untrue. And that's why it's important to separate them and address them both separately, Which is why we're talking about this now because it comes up a lot.

Ryan Maruyama [00:18:17]:

Then the last point that I wanted to talk about with this first thing that we're talking about Is that education isn't as rigid as college is? So college doesn't equal education. It doesn't have to take you as long as college takes you in order to learn whatever it is that you're learning. Hey there. I hope that you're loving this episode of the degree free podcast. We spend a ton of time every week creating this content for you. So my only ask is you take a quick 2nd to leave a review or thumbs up on whatever platform you're on. It's one of the best and easiest ways that you can support this podcast, and this simple Action can help bring more people into the degree free community. At degree free, we wanna help as many people as we can thrive and succeed without needing a college degree.

Ryan Maruyama [00:19:04]:

Your review will be a step in that direction. If you could do this small favor right now, pause this and leave a review. It would truly mean the world to us. Thank you, and back to the show. So what I mean by that is that calc one, calc two, that's your 1st semester. That's your 2nd semester. It's a year long thing, let's say. Okay? Can you learn calc 1 and calc 2 faster than 4 months 4 months? Maybe if you put your mind to it, and then you Do it.

Ryan Maruyama [00:19:32]:

Right? Okay. So do you learn everything that there is to know about calc 1 and calc 2 in 4 months, and then now you're moving on instead of taking a whole year? Right? Education isn't rigid. Education is actually extremely, extremely pliable and extremely, extremely flexible. It takes as long as it takes you to learn the skill or to learn the knowledge. A good example is for me, man, my experience becoming an EMT. In order to be a firefighter, I needed to go through EMT school just like how A lot of people have to go to EMT school. In Hawaii, there is a 2 year program at the local community college that teaches you how to become an EMT and how to pass the national registry of EMTs, how to pass the EMT certification. It takes 2 years.

Ryan Maruyama [00:20:27]:

Right? And then there are classes all around the country that do it in, like, a few months or so. Right? Maybe a few weeks. I did mine in 6 weeks. So it

Hannah Maruyama [00:20:37]:

takes 6 weeks to get licensed, Or a college can prolong it 2 years.

Ryan Maruyama [00:20:42]:

It didn't take 2 years to become an EMT. It took 6 weeks. That's how long it took.

Hannah Maruyama [00:20:47]:

Which begs the question, why is it 2 years?

Ryan Maruyama [00:20:50]:

Because it has to fit in their rigid structure of semester semester semester semester, and then you're taking gen ed courses all along the way.

Hannah Maruyama [00:21:00]:

Even though your result is the same?

Ryan Maruyama [00:21:02]:

It's exactly the same. And I know that this is the case because when I got hired as a fireman. I was friends with somebody that was going through this EMT school at the local community college, And they were in their 1st year. By the time that I had graduated my, you know, recruit training or my fire academy 8 months later from my time of hire. I already had my EMT, and I was also a firefighter. So I, like, lap this person and this person just finished their 1st year of community college, and they're like in summer. And I was like, dude, That's crazy because I could go work on a rig right now, and you're doing this for 2 years, and then you're taking art classes too. Like, if the point is to become educated and then pass as this thing.

Hannah Maruyama [00:21:55]:

For a job skill.

Ryan Maruyama [00:21:57]:

Yeah. For a job skill, then why don't you just go do that? But not even a job skill, but, like, just a skill skill or a knowledge knowledge. Right? I mean, like, if you're trying to learn Spanish, well, why don't you just go learn Spanish?

Hannah Maruyama [00:22:08]:

But, also, why is it limited to the span of a college too. Because if you wanna learn Spanish for 10 years and you wanna keep learning Spanish because you wanna just get really, really good at Spanish, you're not limited to whatever parameters a college sets. That's ridiculous.

Ryan Maruyama [00:22:20]:

Yeah. I don't know who said it, but it was like a guest on yeah. Exactly. Abraham Lincoln.

Hannah Maruyama [00:22:26]:

He's that guy's always saying things.

Ryan Maruyama [00:22:28]:

But to Thomas Jefferson. I think it was somebody on Tim Ferris's podcast or something like that, which is the average time frame to learn something is for chumps.

Hannah Maruyama [00:22:39]:

Oh, I like that.

Ryan Maruyama [00:22:40]:

So whatever the average is, you look at that and be like, okay. I can I can do it in half the time?

Hannah Maruyama [00:22:45]:

That's laughable.

Ryan Maruyama [00:22:45]:

Basically. Yeah. And so, yes, it's possible. And I think that's exactly right. College doesn't equal education, especially because education is much more fluid than fitting in within four and a half months here, four and a half months there, and then summer. Right? Like, you can do all of it at one time.

Hannah Maruyama [00:23:06]:

Yeah. I couldn't agree with that more.

Ryan Maruyama [00:23:08]:

So moving on, I wanted to talk about something from a report that the World Economic Forum put out, the future of jobs report 2023. I I'll stop right here for just for a second. This thing is a behemoth. It's, like, 296 pages. It's, like, craze. I mean, most of it's pictures, which is good for me, but They're not the good kind of pictures. They're graphs. They're bar charts.

Ryan Maruyama [00:23:33]:

That's not the same thing.

Hannah Maruyama [00:23:35]:

Those are not the same thing.

Ryan Maruyama [00:23:36]:

Right. It's a visual graphical representation of data.

Hannah Maruyama [00:23:42]:

That don't mislead the people. You made them think it was a picture book.

Ryan Maruyama [00:23:45]:

Which is nice, but it's still a lot of reading. And so I went through and skimmed it because I didn't read it. I went through and skimmed it so you don't have to.

Hannah Maruyama [00:23:56]:

Give us your Educated take.

Ryan Maruyama [00:23:59]:

Yeah. And so no. What what was really awesome about this is that there are basically, I'm gonna Talk about the 7 jobs that are disappearing the fastest. Are they like the 7 dwarves?

Hannah Maruyama [00:24:10]:

Right. Sleepy? Sneezy?

Ryan Maruyama [00:24:12]:

Yeah. Exactly. And so they are disappearing the fastest, but I won't bury the lead. Basically, there are a lot of jobs that are going away or at least decreasing. The good part about it, it's not good for the people that are in these jobs, but the good part about it is that It is following a very predictable pattern of jobs that are decreasing, and we've been talking about it for a long time on this podcast about the implications of AI, which is a lot of what this report is talking about, which is Generative AI is picking up. It is coming in into the workforce, and we did that whole deep dive into that LinkedIn AI report. I think it was their future of work report as well. And so it is happening right underneath our noses as we speak.

Ryan Maruyama [00:25:03]:

But if you're listening to this podcast, you know, that there is a trend of the jobs that are out there that are disappearing. And so if you're in one of these things, You know, you can start transitioning out now. You can see it coming. Exactly. And so the 7 jobs are going to be The first one, we talked about this in an episode, and I'm feel very good about it. It is bank tellers.

Hannah Maruyama [00:25:29]:

Oh, yeah.

Ryan Maruyama [00:25:30]:

Right? And so once again, was crazy, right, is that bank tellers, the invention of the ATM machine, more bank tellers than ever even though people thought that there'd be less bank tellers. But now with online banking and AI, less bank tellers.

Hannah Maruyama [00:25:47]:

It wasn't the ATMs that got the bank tellers. It was the apps, folks.

Ryan Maruyama [00:25:51]:

Exactly. Yeah. It was the apps and now AI helping a lot with the customer service and

Hannah Maruyama [00:25:57]:


Ryan Maruyama [00:25:58]:

Yeah. Exactly. A lot a lot of chatbots out there. If you're listening to this, you have absolutely interacted with 1, and you've probably, like, wanted to shoot yourself in the head. Yeah. Yeah. It's like

Hannah Maruyama [00:26:11]:

I'll be like, oh, man.

Ryan Maruyama [00:26:12]:

Just no. 0. Press 0.

Hannah Maruyama [00:26:15]:

Round? Let me chat with a human. Person. Person. Person.

Ryan Maruyama [00:26:19]:

Yeah. And so the next one is gonna be secretaries and administrative assistants, which I see making sense because I imagine that majority of secretaries and administrative assistants are in I don't know what else to say, so I'm just gonna say it. And I I don't mean any disrespect to anybody, but I'll just say low skill type of secretaries and administrative assistants. It's a lot of managing different tasks and man managing very easily explained projects. And if it's something that's easily explained and easily repeatable and executable, then that is ripe for AI to come in and disrupt.

Hannah Maruyama [00:27:07]:

Is that physical? I wonder if the virtual assistants are on the rise though. I wonder if outsourced assistants virtual people are actually being hired more. I

Ryan Maruyama [00:27:18]:

not 100% positive, but I would wager a large amount of money that virtual assistance, which are just assistance just over the Internet in a different time zone, probably, in a different country, is absolutely on the rise. The reason why is very simple, really. It's just cost. Right? I mean, it's just it's just cost. The arbitrage that you can get for your money in another country is huge. It just cost.

Hannah Maruyama [00:27:47]:

And I was thinking of all the new, like, all the new businesses and small businesses, and they need help, and they do need those things. They just can't afford the labor cost of hiring somebody to do that in that way.

Ryan Maruyama [00:27:58]:

I don't know if it was a article I read or something or a podcast I was listening to. I think it might have been a podcast I was listening to, but they were talking about a dental office. So that's a brick and mortar business. They had a really, really hard time getting a front desk, like a receptionist.

Hannah Maruyama [00:28:17]:


Ryan Maruyama [00:28:18]:

And they had a hard time, and it was really expensive. You had to pay insurance and everything like that. And so what they did was they hired a virtual assistant, and I'm using air quotes here. They hired somebody in the Philippines to sit there on a Imac all day in front of a webcam

Hannah Maruyama [00:28:37]:

What? In the black mirror?

Ryan Maruyama [00:28:39]:

And check people in. That's a great deal. So they would this person is on all day just like how a physical receptionist would be, and they are checking people in over the Internet. And so this person, even though they're living in the Philippines, they work on US time when the person hey. How are you doing? They talk story. They make chitchat. They check them in because it's all and then they're okay. The the doctor will see you now.

Ryan Maruyama [00:29:05]:

Cool. And then they and then then they let him in. Crazy. Right?

Hannah Maruyama [00:29:09]:

Yeah. Cool, though.

Ryan Maruyama [00:29:10]:

Yes. And so There's 2 factors that I wanna come around to. I think, yes, higher than ever virtual assistance because of the cost. Also, virtual assistants for them, their labor has never scaled more because on their side, They are using AI to fulfill all of the tasks that they were doing. Right? And so their labor now scales even more.

Hannah Maruyama [00:29:37]:

Many agencies almost.

Ryan Maruyama [00:29:38]:

Yes. And then secondly, the stigma of doing it and the technology, the stigma has come down and the technology has caught up. Right? So it's never been easier to communicate with people that are across the world. Right? There's Slack. There's Google Chat. There's Zoom. There's all of these different meeting management tools out there for you. And then the stigma of doing that, a lot of it has to do with COVID and everything going remote.

Ryan Maruyama [00:30:09]:

All of that is way down and nonexistent anymore.

Hannah Maruyama [00:30:12]:

Right. So now that's just revolutionary instead of strange.

Ryan Maruyama [00:30:15]:

What I wanted to say about the secretary's and administrative assistants, though, Is the one subset of this that I do not think is going away

Hannah Maruyama [00:30:25]:


Ryan Maruyama [00:30:26]:

Are executive assistant.

Hannah Maruyama [00:30:27]:

Yeah. They're gonna get paid than ever. They're more valuable than ever.

Ryan Maruyama [00:30:30]:

Exactly. Yeah. The executive assistants are going to be more valuable than ever.

Hannah Maruyama [00:30:35]:

Yeah. All I saw when I heard that, I was like, that just means that the people that remain in that field are just gonna be extremely high paid.

Ryan Maruyama [00:30:40]:

Exactly. And it's because they are going to be so necessary and so good at their job. And we're talking about executive assistants for executives, right, for C suite people, maybe, you know, vice president level. They are doing a lot of management for these people, and those people are gonna be more necessary than ever Yeah. I believe.

Hannah Maruyama [00:31:05]:

I I agree with you. It's funny you had that thought I had the same one.

Ryan Maruyama [00:31:07]:

Yeah. Especially with all the VAs. Right? So then one Executive might have

Hannah Maruyama [00:31:12]:

an army.

Ryan Maruyama [00:31:13]:

Might have 5 VAs underneath them.

Hannah Maruyama [00:31:15]:


Ryan Maruyama [00:31:16]:

But then they don't wanna deal with that because they're running the company. And so their executive assistant is running an army of VAs for this one person.

Hannah Maruyama [00:31:25]:

I wonder how many I wonder how many EAs have EAs. I like to like, I would love to. If you know anyone that is an executive assistant that has an executive assistant, Please send them our way. I would be so interested in how that works because that would be a cool story.

Ryan Maruyama [00:31:41]:

So the third is gonna be cashiers. That's Duh. Obvious. Right? I mean, we see that

Hannah Maruyama [00:31:46]:

This up.

Ryan Maruyama [00:31:46]:

It's been

Hannah Maruyama [00:31:47]:

3 years.

Ryan Maruyama [00:31:47]:

In the US, you see that everywhere. One, it just makes sense. It's cheaper for the stores Yeah. To have these, you know, corrals.

Hannah Maruyama [00:31:58]:

Yeah. Right? Six Just start

Ryan Maruyama [00:32:00]:

It's cheaper. They don't it doesn't it's 1 bag. It's 1 head. Dump the bag. And then I was just told Jacob to do it. The Family Guy episode, of that with the self checkout machines or, like, trying to make Peter, suffocate himself with the bag. It's it's hilarious. And that's, like, 10 years old now, I think.

Hannah Maruyama [00:32:17]:

Still working.

Ryan Maruyama [00:32:18]:

Because I haven't watched Family Guy in years. Yeah. Long time. Long time. So, cashiers, it makes sense. There's 1 cashier, Whereas before, you would have needed 6. So it's a 6 of the cost. And then you're not only that, but you're getting, like, 20 x the efficiency just also having to do with the way that those lines work, right, instead of having 1 line.

Ryan Maruyama [00:32:40]:

Like, you ever go to, like, Ross or something. Gosh. No. But what I'm saying what I'm saying about Ross is that they do one thing right, which is they have 1 central line or queue.

Hannah Maruyama [00:32:51]:

And then they move you to the respective cashier.

Ryan Maruyama [00:32:54]:


Hannah Maruyama [00:32:54]:

But usually, they're

Ryan Maruyama [00:32:55]:

So it's like and right. Right. Right.

Hannah Maruyama [00:32:57]:

Right. Yeah. Yeah. Not really.

Ryan Maruyama [00:32:59]:

Or, like, bank tellers or something like that. But bank tellers do the same thing, and banks, they're one central line, and then, you know, you go to the next available.

Hannah Maruyama [00:33:05]:


Ryan Maruyama [00:33:06]:

And that's the correct way to do it as far from efficiency standpoint. Sure. That's how you're supposed to do it. But for some reason, we don't do that. And

Hannah Maruyama [00:33:14]:

so checkouts, you do.

Ryan Maruyama [00:33:15]:

At self checkouts, you do. So not only are you getting the efficiency and the higher revenue per square foot? Like, you've shrunk down the square footage. You have 20 checkout registers instead of only having 4 in the same amount of square footage. So there's just efficiencies all the way down and up.

Hannah Maruyama [00:33:36]:

But you know what though? I think about the cashiers, and I will say, I'm about to out our state, but we live in Texas. And I know that at the HEBs, we We love the HEAP. Everybody loves the HEAP. Everybody loves the HEAP. Just a moment of appreciation for the HEAP.

Ryan Maruyama [00:33:50]:

If you know about you. Leave leave a comment at YouTube immediately. Stop this. Even if you're listening on audio, stop this right now. Pull over on the side of the road and comment on YouTube. I was in Arizona. I'm sorry. This is going on its head.

Hannah Maruyama [00:34:05]:

An ode to the heap.

Ryan Maruyama [00:34:06]:

I was in Arizona.

Hannah Maruyama [00:34:08]:

We know it's called HEB, guys. We know it's I

Ryan Maruyama [00:34:09]:

was Talking to my friend who's also from Hawaii who is living in Arizona, and I was telling him, like, oh, yeah. There's this store called HEB. We're walking out of the men's restroom. We are, we just finished up a round of golf, and there were these guys that were just sitting down on the couches right outside of the HEB. And I'm just gonna say it didn't matter. They were feminine, but it's a very crucial part of the story.

Hannah Maruyama [00:34:32]:

Everybody knows that if you get this stamp, you're like, okay.

Ryan Maruyama [00:34:35]:

Yeah. I think they were gay. And that not that that matters. I don't care.

Hannah Maruyama [00:34:39]:

Does it makes it more important?

Ryan Maruyama [00:34:40]:

But it matters to the story because I'm, like, walking. I was like, yeah. H E B is, like, the best as I'm walking out of the I pushed the door to exit. And then and then one of the guys in the chairs, he's just like, oh my god. HEB. I love HEB. HEB is the best. And I was just like, see.

Ryan Maruyama [00:34:59]:

I told you. We immediately

Hannah Maruyama [00:35:01]:

got the stamp, and it's a gold stamp. And you know It wasn't how it's really Good.

Ryan Maruyama [00:35:06]:

Yeah. And and I've I've was just talking to my friend for, like, the last 10 seconds about H E B. He just wasn't getting it. He's like, I don't get it. It's just grocery store. Right? Or And

Hannah Maruyama [00:35:14]:

he got an endorsement.

Ryan Maruyama [00:35:15]:

Yeah. Right. Exactly. What's funny is that when once my friend heard that, his whole demeanor changed. He was like, oh, okay. So okay. So it's like it's like a thing. Like, it's don't get it, though, but, like, explain it stand.

Ryan Maruyama [00:35:26]:

Explain it to me. Anyway, HEB, love it.

Hannah Maruyama [00:35:30]:

Stop it.

Ryan Maruyama [00:35:30]:

Whatever it is that you're doing right now and comment. Let, drop a heart for HEB.

Hannah Maruyama [00:35:36]:

Yeah. You guys know. My point that I was gonna make is even since we've been here, I have actually noticed Less cashiers, but more of the shoppers. More of the shoppers. Right? The labor's just moving around the store, I think.

Ryan Maruyama [00:35:50]:

You're talking about shoppers for people that are doing curbside pickup or delivery. Yeah. You're talking about the people that are going to the store that have the big racks, and they are picking

Hannah Maruyama [00:36:00]:


Ryan Maruyama [00:36:01]:

Basically pick and pack, basically. It's literally pick and pack.

Hannah Maruyama [00:36:04]:

Yeah. And there's way more of them than there were when we got here a couple years Go.

Ryan Maruyama [00:36:07]:

Well yeah. Definitely. And and that has to do with the cashiers. I'm I'm sure. I'm sure. Right? But just But

Hannah Maruyama [00:36:12]:

they would probably not land them off. They're just moving them.

Ryan Maruyama [00:36:14]:

Well, it's the same thing. Why it makes so much sense for the grocery stores to do that and to push that? Because, Once again, you're not coming into the store and taking up any of their resources. Right? Like you're not taking up any of their resources at all. And their, like, revenue per square foot just skyrockets if they weren't gonna get that purchase from you anyway. If that's the thing that's keeping you from coming into our store, which is you have to get out of your car and actually come in and, like, decide on the things that you want, I'm gonna make this really easy for you, but it's a major win for them because their revenue per square foot just goes up. It's the same thing with fast food restaurants have been doing this for generations.

Hannah Maruyama [00:37:01]:


Ryan Maruyama [00:37:02]:

They've been doing this for a long time now because what I'm talking about is a drive through. They've doubled down, tripled down on the drive through because they can have smaller and smaller footprint actual restaurants, and then their drive through scales almost infinitely. I mean, you see it at McDonald's and other drive throughs. They now have 2 places where you can order. They have 2 places where you

Hannah Maruyama [00:37:26]:

can been to a Chick Fil A. The Chick Fil A's got, like, 4 lanes. I don't know what those people are doing over there.

Ryan Maruyama [00:37:31]:

But Yeah. And so You can

Hannah Maruyama [00:37:32]:

happening here.

Ryan Maruyama [00:37:33]:

You can go and you can order, and it makes sense because you weren't gonna go and sit down down in the restaurant anyway. They don't want you to go and in the restaurant anyway because then you're gonna have to go use the restroom, and then you're gonna use our toilet paper and their water and their paper towels and their hand soap. They don't want that.

Hannah Maruyama [00:37:49]:

But now

Ryan Maruyama [00:37:49]:

Go eat in your car. Just go be lonely. Go to a park and just stare at the steering wheel.

Hannah Maruyama [00:37:53]:

Oh my gosh. We have strong feelings about eating in the car. It can either be really sad or really nice depending on how busy you are. It's just a really it's there's really no in between. It's just either really sad or, like, really nice.

Ryan Maruyama [00:38:11]:

Okay. I wanna get through this. Okay.

Hannah Maruyama [00:38:13]:

What's the next one? What's the

Ryan Maruyama [00:38:14]:

next one? One is postal service workers.

Hannah Maruyama [00:38:17]:

Oh, okay. Well yeah.

Ryan Maruyama [00:38:18]:

Postal service workers.

Hannah Maruyama [00:38:20]:

That's because the post office is, never made money ever.

Ryan Maruyama [00:38:23]:

I well, they're losing money, and they've always lost money. So, I mean, that makes sense.

Hannah Maruyama [00:38:26]:

Kinda what they do. And then

Ryan Maruyama [00:38:27]:

well, because they're so so such an essential part of everyday life, but they also run-in a deficit. The want and the need to find efficiencies in that is incredible. Or, I mean, what if in a perfect world, we didn't have to go to the post office anymore. And I'm sure they're trying to figure out how to make that happen.

Hannah Maruyama [00:38:49]:


Ryan Maruyama [00:38:49]:

You're right. So You just have a scale at home, right, and you weigh your stuff, and then you buy postage, and then you drop it. It's an Amazon scale. Right. Yeah. Exactly.

Hannah Maruyama [00:38:59]:

You know? Bezos is gonna own the post office.

Ryan Maruyama [00:39:03]:

The next after that is gonna be bookkeeping, accounting, and auditing clerks. Sure. Makes sense the re yeah. Well, it's a very Like books out there. Talked about before, which is they're repeatable tasks. Yeah. They're easily defined repeatable tasks. And anybody that has ever spent any time in QuickBooks or, you know, wave or any of these other small business or bookkeeping softwares knows what a godsend some of these category The match things are, and so it's like, oh, well, you spent money at this company, you know, at Amazon .com, and that's usually office supplies.

Ryan Maruyama [00:39:44]:

Would you like to just put all Amazon .com purchases in in office supplies? And you're just like, yep. Sounds good. Boop. And then you and then you just move all those over, and then, like, half of your thing is done already. It's not perfect yet because There's you still have to, like, drill down. You'd be like, well, what did I buy at Amazon? Oh, okay. Well, this is actually, like, a movie rental for, you know, prime. It's like, sorry.

Ryan Maruyama [00:40:06]:

That's not supposed to be on there. And so you're supposed to you just move that off. Right? And then, like, this is for office supplies. And then now this one is actually for meals and entertainment or whatever. And so You can tell who runs the bookkeeping in our house. Well yeah. And so What this AI is gonna do is that it's gonna be able to drill down to that 2nd level, and it's gonna be able to Automatically sort. Automatically sort and categorize that stuff for you.

Ryan Maruyama [00:40:28]:

So you just you don't have to do anything.

Hannah Maruyama [00:40:30]:

Right. No. That makes sense.

Ryan Maruyama [00:40:31]:

Yeah. The next thing is gonna be information clerks.

Hannah Maruyama [00:40:34]:

Does that not fall under bookkeepers or admin? No.

Ryan Maruyama [00:40:36]:

No. No. Information clerks. It's yeah. It's weird. Right? Like, what the hell is that? Information clerks are gonna be, like, what we're talking about, receptionists, but, like, for hotels.

Hannah Maruyama [00:40:45]:

Oh. Right? Like

Ryan Maruyama [00:40:46]:

Yeah. Hotels Sure. Motels, holiday ins, file clerks, record clerks. So, like, I think to myself, when I was working in commercial credit, I had to go and get files down in the storeroom. Right? And so we'd go down to the storeroom, and there was, like, a literal, like, half door. You know, those 2 stage doors?

Hannah Maruyama [00:41:10]:

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Ryan Maruyama [00:41:11]:

Yeah. And then So they would open up the the top when they were in, and then you would put the order form of, like, the what the docs that you needed were in. That's what they're saying. Like, those people that helped me retrieve the docs. Those people are gonna be because

Hannah Maruyama [00:41:24]:

it's all gonna get digitized? Right.

Ryan Maruyama [00:41:26]:

It's all gonna be digitized, which is

Hannah Maruyama [00:41:29]:

Which is actually a massive thing. People don't realize it too that the amount of times I've encountered that as a business problem is huge to the point where people just go, Yeah. We would love to pay somebody $20 an hour to come in and scan our documents. So if anyone's ever, like, for a side hustle, you can just go to some law office and be like, hey. Do you have documents that you wanna have scanned in? Charge you $20 an hour.

Ryan Maruyama [00:41:47]:

Yeah. You're gonna have to figure out if you do this. I mean, I literally did this. This is one of my first jobs. So one of the things that you have to Think about is you have to know whatever field that you're gonna do for this electronic content management for or for contract management, whatever it is, you're going to have to know the rules of the game for whatever business that is. Yeah. And so law offices, They have to stand up to, like, a certain code, security code. Health care, it has to be HIPAA.

Hannah Maruyama [00:42:17]:

You have to keep them for a certain amount of time.

Ryan Maruyama [00:42:19]:

Yeah. Mortgages, it's something else. And so if you get into this game, it probably makes sense that you go after you learn the rules of, like, law offices in your area or in your state.

Hannah Maruyama [00:42:31]:

And you just go after law offices.

Ryan Maruyama [00:42:32]:

Just go after those at first because

Hannah Maruyama [00:42:34]:

You know the rules.

Ryan Maruyama [00:42:35]:

Right. You know the you know you know the rules there. And then If you wanted to, you could just go for a completely, like, not as regulated industry. Mhmm. And so you could go to

Hannah Maruyama [00:42:47]:

A plumbing company that has a lot of invoices like, like, around, stray stuff.

Ryan Maruyama [00:42:52]:

Right. Or, you know, you're you're talking about, like, construction companies. There's a lot of invoicing. There's a lot of paperwork. There are

Hannah Maruyama [00:42:58]:

a lot

Ryan Maruyama [00:42:58]:

of contracts. Right? Yep. You're gonna go to, like, design firms. Right, like those Divisions, all of Holy crap. Like, agencies are really

Hannah Maruyama [00:43:08]:

Paper heavy?

Ryan Maruyama [00:43:09]:

Yeah. Really, really paper heavy.

Hannah Maruyama [00:43:10]:

Heavy, I should say.

Ryan Maruyama [00:43:11]:

But then if you also go to, to, like, an actual brick and mortar place that sells really, you know, mid tier products to a lot of people. So we're talking about, like, in the thousand to maybe, like, $100,000 range. Maybe it's or maybe, like, 5,000 to, like, $100,000 range. Usually, depending on, like, just in that range. Those are more expensive products, so there's usually doesn't all it's not always the case, but there's usually gonna be more paperwork involved with those things. And so you

Hannah Maruyama [00:43:40]:

Like, roofing?

Ryan Maruyama [00:43:41]:

Yeah. Well, I mean, whatever whatever it is. Just in that price range, you're gonna have more paperwork because the sales process as longer. Right. The lead time to close a sale on those things are usually longer. And so those are good places to start.

Hannah Maruyama [00:43:56]:

Yeah. That is that

Ryan Maruyama [00:43:57]:

is if you're

Hannah Maruyama [00:43:58]:

gonna go into that.

Ryan Maruyama [00:43:59]:

Good guidelines. Yeah. And so yeah. I don't wanna be a Debbie downer. I just wanted to bring this up for people that are in these industries right now. Now you have an idea and you can focus on upskilling and getting out of these roles, transitioning out of these roles. And the transition can happen in many ways. You can work your way up in that company.

Ryan Maruyama [00:44:23]:

You can transition out to a different company doing a different role, or it can come in many different ways. But now that you know that it's probably coming down the pipeline where we are gonna see these job categories Shrink. Shrink and detract.

Hannah Maruyama [00:44:37]:

Get ready.

Ryan Maruyama [00:44:37]:

Right. Exactly. And then

Hannah Maruyama [00:44:38]:

Got time for that.

Ryan Maruyama [00:44:39]:

Those people, you know, that have kids and they're looking at their 1st job. I don't think it's gonna happen, like, overnight.

Hannah Maruyama [00:44:46]:

No. And so if they're good entry level roles.

Ryan Maruyama [00:44:48]:

Exactly. So If you're looking at their, like, 1st first first job, it's fine.

Hannah Maruyama [00:44:54]:

Your 1st job is not your last job, people.

Ryan Maruyama [00:44:56]:

If it's gonna be the rare. Cashier at a local grocery store or at a Walmart or something.

Hannah Maruyama [00:45:02]:

They're not going away overnight.

Ryan Maruyama [00:45:04]:

It's fine. The room to grow. Right? Like but but you're saying, oh, well, the industry is detracting. Why would we want them to go into a dying industry or, you know, shrinking job. It's because they will have room to grow if they internalize it. Right? And then and I've said this before on a few episodes back. But if we think about room to grow, if we think about that and we just say, I'm gonna be in charge of growing. It's my mindset and my skill set that I'm gonna continue to grow, and I'm gonna continue to be more valuable and more valuable and more valuable.

Ryan Maruyama [00:45:41]:

If you can internalize that and then you can act on those things, There's no way that you stay a cashier for the rest of your life. No. There's no way. No. Even if that is going away.

Hannah Maruyama [00:45:53]:


Ryan Maruyama [00:45:53]:

It's just a stepping stone. It's the 1st job. It's your next job, whatever it is. You know what I mean? But it's not your career.

Hannah Maruyama [00:46:01]:

Yeah. Your career is where you go. It's not where you start.

Ryan Maruyama [00:46:05]:

Man, these episodes are going by really, really quickly. I hope that people like these episodes. Really, I hope that you think that we're prepared, but we prepare things separately, and then we come to talk about them. These are more electric for us. We enjoy these more because it's more of a conversation. But I also can understand from a listener's perspective. I listen to a lot of podcasts that maybe it's like, oh, you guys are just you just like to hear the sound of your own voice, and we make these podcasts for you. You're listening to this.

Ryan Maruyama [00:46:36]:

So I want to know how we're doing. Leave us a comment on YouTube and let us know if you like this or if you want us to tighten it up. And I actually have, like, 6 more things that I wanna talk about today, but I think that this is a good place to end.

Hannah Maruyama [00:46:51]:

Yeah. I think so too. And if you do find anything interesting or come across some studies, anything that you think that we should see, send it to us because we'd like to cover it.

Ryan Maruyama [00:46:58]:

Yeah. Absolutely. Leave a comment in the YouTube about different topics, different ideas that you want us to dive into. It really, really helps to prepare this. And like I said, we make this episode for you.

Hannah Maruyama [00:47:08]:

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Ryan Maruyama [00:47:21]:

Yep. And that's pretty much it for this week. Until next time, guys.

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