December 13, 2023

College Marketing Secrets and $800,000 in Debt for a Photography Degree?! (DF#127)

College Marketing Secrets and $800,000 in Debt for a Photography Degree?!

Truths You Need: AP Courses and College Marketing

Colleges are the best marketers in the world. Sometimes they market to us without us even knowing. In this episode, we talk about how AP courses are used by colleges to capture students early and get them hooked.

What you’ll learn:

- Explore the high cost of college degrees, particularly in niche fields like film and photography, and the challenges faced by graduates in finding well-paying jobs.
- Find out why pursuing high-value skills and practical choices may be a better alternative to a traditional degree.
- Learn about the importance of gaining practical experience and building a solid portfolio in creative fields like photography and film, without solely relying on formal education.
- Discover how parents can support their children in pursuing their interests and gaining exposure in desired industries.

We hope you found this episode enlightening and thought-provoking. Let us know if you liked this new segment in the comments!

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Episode Summary:

In this podcast episode, Hannah and Ryan examine marketing tactics employed by colleges, particularly focusing on the promotion of advanced placement (AP) courses in high schools, suggesting that it is a strategy to secure future enrollments. They emphasize the influence of peer pressure and societal expectations, urging parents and students to consider individual goals and circumstances in deciding whether college is the right choice.

The conversation also explores the high cost of student debt, using examples of film and photography degree programs where graduates accumulate substantial amounts of debt. They stress the importance of pursuing practical experience and high-value skills, advising aspiring students to engage in photography, build portfolios, and learn sales techniques to potentially offset debt quickly.

Hannah and Ryan discuss the significance of networking and gaining experience for success in industries such as sports, TV production, and radio. They underscore the value of making connections, obtaining exposure to the work environment, and learning from experienced professionals. They advocate for parents supporting their children's aspirations and facilitating involvement in desired industries, ultimately expressing excitement for the episode and welcoming audience feedback.

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Action Steps & Recommendations:

• Evaluate the value of AP courses and consider alternative paths for a cost-effective and fulfilling education.
• Consider practical skills and experience as valuable assets in industries like film and photography, rather than pursuing expensive degrees.
• Focus on building a portfolio of work and gaining practical experience in industries like film and photography.
• Consider the experience of working in a specific industry, such as sports, TV production, or radio, as an alternative to college.
• Prioritize gaining practical experience and making connections in order to succeed in industries like sports, TV production, or radio.
• Start from the bottom and gain experience over time, as exemplified by the news producer in the episode.
• Provide feedback on the episode to contribute to the ongoing conversation and improvement of the podcast.

Timestamps:
00:02:43 - Colleges' effective marketing tactics with AP courses
00:05:24 - AP courses as a way to secure a future college purchase
00:09:33 - AP courses pre-framing students and parents for expensive college degrees
00:11:29 - Marketing tactics used by colleges to promote AP courses
00:14:12 - High student debt for film program graduates
00:19:03 - The importance of developing high-value skills instead of pursuing a degree
00:23:24 - The importance of networking and making connections in the sports, TV production, and radio industries
00:23:01 - Advice for parents whose kids are interested in sports, TV production, or radio
00:22:41 - The value of gaining experience and working your way up in a career

References, Resources Mentioned & Suggested Reading:

Episode Transcript
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Please note the transcript may have a few errors. We're human. It can be hard to catch all the errors from a full length conversation. Enjoy!

Hannah Maruyama [00:00:00]:

$800,000 for photography degree. That's not education, people. This is not education. We are looking at a Ponzi scheme. Okay? This is an unbelievable amount of money to pay. I don't care how long it they're gonna get. It's just so crazy that I couldn't get over it. I had to come read it to you all because I couldn't Just read this comment and then not tell a bunch of people about it because that's how insane it was to me.

Ryan Maruyama [00:00:28]:

Aloha folks, and we are back.

Hannah Maruyama [00:00:30]:

In the temporary studio still.

Ryan Maruyama [00:00:32]:

In the temporary studio, but that's okay. I am very excited for this week's episode because I teased it. You teased it, really, on last week's episode, Which is why I'm gonna do it on this week's episode even though it was really just a thought when you teased it.

Hannah Maruyama [00:00:52]:

It was an idea, a whisper.

Ryan Maruyama [00:00:54]:

But we're gonna do it this week. I'm gonna try to go quickly, and this is gonna be a short episode. The reason why is because we don't have a lot of time while we are recording this, but we want to get this information out to you every week like we have been doing nonstop Stop. For the last 2 years, because we work so hard, I definitely think that you should subscribe, If you haven't already subscribed and share this episode or any episode that you've liked with a friend.

Hannah Maruyama [00:01:24]:

Friends don't let friends not hear the degree podcast.

Ryan Maruyama [00:01:27]:

Friends don't let friends not listen to degree free. I think I've seen that on a bumper sticker.

Hannah Maruyama [00:01:32]:

I definitely have seen that on a bumper sticker. I have. I can verify.

Ryan Maruyama [00:01:36]:

Perfect. Let's jump into it. So today, last week, we teased about marketing and about Colleges being the most effective marketers. I think that colleges are the most effective marketers in the world. Like, really, really, really, like, the college industrial complex, the academic industrial complex, altogether as a whole, Best marketers in the entire world.

Hannah Maruyama [00:02:03]:

In the US.

Ryan Maruyama [00:02:04]:

Yes. You're absolutely right. I take that back. Yeah. In the US. I don't know about the world. I live in the US. And so in the US.

Ryan Maruyama [00:02:12]:

And, really, what I find so interesting, and we've talked about it last week, was they were able to capture an entire age bracket of, like, 6 years of people. Right? Like, college age kids. And so We teased last week that we're gonna talk about the different marketing tactics and the different things and the different ways that colleges have marketed to you and your family forever or at least for the past however many years.

Hannah Maruyama [00:02:39]:

40 years. Yeah. 40 to 60 years.

Ryan Maruyama [00:02:41]:

Yeah. 40 to 70 years.

Hannah Maruyama [00:02:43]:

Ever since the government started subsidizing student loans, basically.

Ryan Maruyama [00:02:45]:

Exactly. And so I am gonna start This new segment and I'm not sure how often I'm gonna do this segment because it kinda takes a little bit of thought, and it takes a little bit of preparation. But I'm gonna start with AP courses. This. Oh. I mean, there's a bunch of places that we could start, but I'm gonna start there because that is one of the most non obvious ways That college marketing has invaded into high schoolers' lives and High school parents' lives, right, which is advanced placement courses. What makes advanced placement courses so brilliant Is that they are having you do something and work towards something that you haven't even purchased yet. They are making you make the purchase decision years before you actually make the purchase decision.

Ryan Maruyama [00:03:39]:

It is brilliant. They are saying, here's some free samples that we're gonna get you. We're gonna give you 3 credits. Right here, you just have to take AP psychology, and you just have to pass this AP exam. So the kid In high school goes, they spend all of this time. They spend all of this effort, the whole year studying for AP Psychology. And, you know, they're in high school, so they want something to strive for. They want a goal, and they wanna do well, and they wanna succeed.

Ryan Maruyama [00:04:09]:

And so they're putting in all this effort. Really, why? Well, it's to get college credit. And so if they score a 1 or a 2

Hannah Maruyama [00:04:19]:

Since as long since I was in high school.

Ryan Maruyama [00:04:20]:

Yeah. I forgot. I think it goes 1 through 5, And I believe that 5 is the lowest and one is the highest, I believe. If it's that's not correct, it's the opposite. But I do believe that it's 1. So If you get like a 1 or 2, most colleges accept those credits. You know, seemingly, there's like, wow. What a great deal.

Ryan Maruyama [00:04:41]:

Because then I got to save so much money When you finally go. And then some places, like, oh, well, my kid gets an associate's degree when they get out of college, But they still have to go and pay 2 more years worth of tuition in order to get a 4 year degree.

Hannah Maruyama [00:04:58]:

AP classes or the equivalent of a 2 night stay in Vegas for a time share. That's exactly what it is. Because they say, oh, well, you know, you take these classes and we'll give you college credit except for in order to actually purchase the thing and actually get access to the thing, you have to pay the college their money. Same thing with the time share. Like, you can borrow it for a little bit, but if you actually want this, you know, if you actually wanna get the stay,

Speaker C [00:05:21]:

you have to sit through

Hannah Maruyama [00:05:22]:

the presentation, and then you have to buy.

Ryan Maruyama [00:05:24]:

Right. It makes a lot of sense because the likelihood that you are going to make the purchase decision when you're 18

Hannah Maruyama [00:05:31]:

Much higher.

Ryan Maruyama [00:05:31]:

Is much higher if You have been spending 2 years, 1, 2, 3 years, some places in high school trying to gain all of these college credits. Right. And then you've literally put time, effort, blood, sweat, and tears into passing these exams. And so now when you're 17, 18 years old, and you're about to graduate. You're like, man, while I was studying for my AP exam, All of my other friends who weren't in AP, they were doing whatever. And I'll speak for myself. This got me. Right? Like, which is why I know AP courses are so good at marketing.

Ryan Maruyama [00:06:10]:

Because I knew at 16 years old when I was a junior in high school that I was gonna go to college. I took AP whatever classes that I could get my hands on, And it was for the exact same reasons. It's like, okay. Well, the purchase decision is pretty much made, so I might as well try To get as much free stuff as possible. Right? Try to get as much free credits as possible. But When I became 17, 18 years old, it was never a decision for me of whether or not I should continue going on. But I guarantee if you had asked me, like, hey. Do you still wanna go to college? Is that a good idea? I'd be like, yeah.

Ryan Maruyama [00:06:49]:

Of course, I wanna go. I just spent 2 years of my life studying for these AP exams while I was studying for AP exams. While I was taking my AP exams, all of my friends We're outside. I was in the libraries taking this dumb test. For me, I think I it took, like, 4 AP classes My entire high school, I think that I passed one of them.

Hannah Maruyama [00:07:11]:

You know what's funny that you say that, but they had you make the decision before they had you make the decision. Our podcast listeners know this, but if there's a TikTok clip, then people might not know. But I did go to college for I was fully dual enrolled where I was going to high school. That was something you were allowed Do I started the process at, like, 16, and so I was fully in college my entire senior year of high school. I clept and I also took AP classes. And so they did the same thing to me. That's how they got me. I'm doing the calculus for my credits and how they're gonna transfer in so that I can pay less money, but I'm still gonna pay the college.

Hannah Maruyama [00:07:45]:

I'm still gonna pay the man. They got me. I never even made a conscious decision. I just did it.

Ryan Maruyama [00:07:49]:

And so I did wanna go From the business perspective. Right? So we're talking about marketing on this podcast today. And so if I was a business and I was selling a product that was $100,000 Over 4 years as what we're advertising is 4 years, but we know it's gonna take five and a half years. Right? And it's a 120 credits or so, or at least it was when I was in college, Or it's a 124 when I was in college, and you literally couldn't graduate in 4 years even if you took five Classes is crazy. And we've talked about this at length, so I'm not gonna go into it. But if I was selling a 120 credit product in order to secure a purchase Of a $100? You don't think that I would give you a couple of credits for free?

Hannah Maruyama [00:08:30]:

Of course, you would.

Ryan Maruyama [00:08:31]:

Of course, I would. You know

Speaker C [00:08:32]:

what I mean? You can take a loan.

Ryan Maruyama [00:08:34]:

Yeah. I'll give you 3 to 15 credits. I'll give you 3. And some people are saying, well, my kid came out with an associate's degree. Okay. I'll give you 60 credits For free. Sure.

Speaker C [00:08:45]:

Don't want your money. You're still gonna pay me $50.

Hannah Maruyama [00:08:47]:

That's something that I see a lot is I actually think that the AP courses are way less for the kid, and it's way more for the parents because they like to be able to brag that their kid is in these advanced courses. Right? And I'm not saying this was courses are not more advanced than your typical classes they are. But the fact that they have pretied them to college credit, You need to understand that that's a problem. You need to understand that they're you to make a very expensive purchase. They're your child to make it. They're preframing you to sign this loan. And if you want your kid to take advanced classes, that's fine. But just keep in mind that that is what they are pushing your child into.

Hannah Maruyama [00:09:26]:

And you need to understand that too because you can say, yeah. My kid's taking these advanced courses, but they're already so far ahead in college. It's like, do they need the college degree? Because if they don't, you're still pushing them into that because they went and took AP classes in high school. That is a huge waste of their time, and it's a huge waste of money.

Ryan Maruyama [00:09:43]:

Are the classes harder? Some of them are. A lot of them are. That's why they're supposed to be advanced Placement. Right? There's supposed to be literally be college level classes in high school. Some parents might say, okay. Well, my Child is just going to advanced placement because they really want to learn this material, but they don't care about the actual college credit. And for some people, that might be true. Sure.

Ryan Maruyama [00:10:07]:

That might be true. But if this impressionable teenager is around all of his other peers That are also trying to gain college credit. They are the ones that are doing the work. And if they lose sight of, like, Oh, I was just wanted to do it so I could learn more about it, and they want to go to college. Well, you know, now you're on the hook for a $100,000 purchase. And, look, I'm not saying that there's any right or wrong. It might be the right choice for them to go to college. You can go back to our last episode Or 2 episodes ago, we'll put links to the show notes degreefree.c04/podcast, the 3 different conversations that you need to have With your teenager.

Ryan Maruyama [00:10:46]:

And so if you have that conversation with your teenager and you decide that, okay. Yeah. College is the right thing, then that's fine. I'm just saying That you should remember the goal.

Hannah Maruyama [00:10:56]:

Yeah. And you also have to remember too that there's teachers and guidance counselors telling them that they need to buy a college degree in order to seed in life, and all of this pressure is on them. And that's all day. They're at school all day, and that's what they hear. So just keep it in mind.

Ryan Maruyama [00:11:08]:

Yeah. It's really brilliant because It gets them forgetting about making decision. They've already done it. Right? And they're earning those credits By putting in all of the time and effort to study. And because you are earning it, you are going to value it Much, much more.

Hannah Maruyama [00:11:29]:

They're gonna make them feel like they lost something if they choose not to go into student debt. Exactly. Understand that. That's how they're setting your kid up.

Ryan Maruyama [00:11:37]:

And so you're gonna look, and your guidance counselor is gonna say, well, you already have Three credits towards this. Right? You already have your associate's degree. You might as well just go for 2 years, finish up, and get your bachelor's degree. That might be the right answer. That might be the wrong answer. I'm not sure. I don't know your situation, but just know that is how they are using AP courses In their marketing.

Hannah Maruyama [00:12:02]:

Mhmm.

Ryan Maruyama [00:12:02]:

And it is incredibly, incredibly effective. They just took the purchase decision that you were supposed to make 2 years in the future, And they brought that to the present.

Hannah Maruyama [00:12:13]:

And they had your child already make it. Exactly. Yeah.

Ryan Maruyama [00:12:15]:

You know what I mean? Like, they made your child make that decision at 16 15 years old, 15 years old, however old they are when they're starting to take these advanced placement courses.

Speaker C [00:12:25]:

Driver's license. It is brilliant. Yeah.

Ryan Maruyama [00:12:28]:

Brilliant marketing. If I was running a massive business where I knew that I was gonna make a $100 off of you regardless, I would give you a few shekels. Here you go. It's a lead magnet. It's what they called it in marketing. It's a lead magnet. And there's, like, Here you go. It's for free.

Hannah Maruyama [00:12:46]:

It's for free. It's a very that's the most expensive free thing you're you're ever gonna get. Exactly.

Ryan Maruyama [00:12:50]:

It really is.

Hannah Maruyama [00:12:51]:

Yep. Because it's gonna be your time, your energy, and your money.

Ryan Maruyama [00:12:54]:

Yep. Definitely. Definitely. If y'all listening to this and I would love it here if you liked this segment, and I kinda like doing it, so I might do it regardless. But if you like this segment, like, really, really, really, then comment on YouTube. Go to the YouTube channel. Comment on YouTube and let me know that you liked it because I have a lot of ideas or I've thought a lot about the marketing that colleges do. And if that's something that interests to you and you wanna see and you wanna know how they are getting you to pay all this money, let me know.

Ryan Maruyama [00:13:27]:

Let me know in the comments. Let me know right now.

Hannah Maruyama [00:13:29]:

Alright. And now to my favorite to my favorite segment of the podcast that we've started to do recently, which is unhinged TikTok comments. This one's actually not a TikTok comment. It's, something I found on Twitter, and it was about, Columbia, our favorite Ivy League hedge fund. I don't know what it is that film graduates are smoking, but I would love some of that stuff because the film graduate, I have never seen a Student debt total from a film grad that has not shocked me, like, to this day. I don't know how they get them to do it, but and maybe it's just the people who just go, yeah. I can afford to do that. I don't know if anyone's out there considering getting a film degree and thinking they can afford it, but, no, you can't.

Hannah Maruyama [00:14:11]:

Because what is that?

Ryan Maruyama [00:14:12]:

One of the reasons why is a lot of the Film schools are really, really expensive. A lot of the colleges that offer film degrees Are expensive universities.

Hannah Maruyama [00:14:23]:

Uh-huh. There it is.

Ryan Maruyama [00:14:24]:

Yeah. And so a lot of the ones that are prestigious are private as well.

Hannah Maruyama [00:14:30]:

Oh, that's what it is. That's why it's on such a ridiculous curve. Okay.

Ryan Maruyama [00:14:34]:

Yes. And so a lot of the film people, They pay a lot

Hannah Maruyama [00:14:39]:

Through the nose?

Ryan Maruyama [00:14:39]:

Yeah. They pay a lot more than your average person paying for a degree at your state college. And then once again, as we said before, it matters obviously on age as well. They've only been making Interest only payments or minimum payments or just kept deferring payment, whatever whatever whatever.

Hannah Maruyama [00:14:58]:

Well, it's worse than that.

Ryan Maruyama [00:14:59]:

Interest payments can just Eat you alive.

Hannah Maruyama [00:15:02]:

So like I was saying, that actually makes a lot of sense. But what I want to read you all is This little snippet that I found on Twitter, and it says recent film program graduates of Columbia University, our favorite resident academic fund, who took out federal student loans, had a median debt. Do you wanna guess?

Ryan Maruyama [00:15:22]:

Of, I wanna say, $90,000 for an answer.

Hannah Maruyama [00:15:26]:

Recent film program graduates of Columbia University, RIP, who took out federal student loans had a median student debt of $181,000. Dang. Median. So for those of you listening to the podcast or seeing this clip, you know that we're big here on if the Information is available. We always wanna find the median first for money because it's more accurate than your average usually. It's gonna give you a better picture of what it's looking like for most of the people who are in this situation. A $181,000 is crazy. That's crazy.

Hannah Maruyama [00:16:00]:

And 2 years after earning their master's degrees, half of the borrowers were making less than $30,000 a year. There is little to no hope of paying that back ever. They'll never catch up on the interest. They can't even pay the principal on those loans. There's no way. They can't do it. The other thing that a lot of people tend to overlook is that if you buy a degree in one of these really niche field. You're gonna have to go to a city to find that type of work.

Hannah Maruyama [00:16:26]:

And if you move to a city, what happens?

Ryan Maruyama [00:16:28]:

Your cost of living goes up.

Hannah Maruyama [00:16:30]:

Yeah. And you won't be able to exist. There's that. Take that into account. Please don't buy a film degree, and I'm gonna follow that up with this other comment that made me almost throw up. And so this comment is by far the worst Student debt I've ever seen in a comment. I have an aunt with a photography major with $800,000 Student I, like, can't even say it without an arm and a heart attack. I'm laughing because of panic.

Hannah Maruyama [00:16:58]:

No. I'm not laughing at her. I actually am really sorry that she's in this situation because the stress that I'm getting from just thinking about that situation, I can't even imagine. The most insane part about this, $800,000 for photography degree. That's not education, people. This is not education. We are looking at a Ponzi scheme. Okay? This is an unbelievable amount of money to pay.

Hannah Maruyama [00:17:23]:

I don't care how long it took her to get. It's just so crazy that I couldn't get over it. I had to come read it to you all because I couldn't just read this comment and then not tell Pancho people about it because that's how insane it was to me. Where would you even start taking yourself out of that?

Ryan Maruyama [00:17:35]:

Hey there. I hope you're enjoying this episode of the degree free podcast. At degree free, we wanna help everyone thrive and succeed without needing a college degree. And the only way to truly reach everyone is with your help. If you're getting value out of this episode Or if this is your 2nd, 3rd, or 4th episode that you're tuning into, if you could just ship this to a friend, just click that one button and share it with someone in your contacts Or on your stories. It would mean the world to us, and more importantly, get our message out to more people Who need help getting out of their current situation. If you could do that right now, that would mean a whole lot. Probably not working in photography.

Hannah Maruyama [00:18:15]:

Oh, no. Oh, no. I'm not not trying to be mean. I just Can't. I'm sweating. I'm, like, panic sweating from this $800,000 of debt reporting.

Ryan Maruyama [00:18:27]:

It, and you went over it last week. And I think you did a really good job of it. Right? Which is Last week, you were talking about this person being a $170,000 in debt, and they didn't know what to do. And the advice Then is the same advice now, which is learn a high value skill and then do that thing. It goes back to putting your pride away. And it goes back to, I don't care if you have a degree in photography. I don't care if you got a degree in whatever it is you got a degree in. Doesn't matter.

Ryan Maruyama [00:19:01]:

Equestrian. If that's not working out for you, then you have to stop What you're doing, reevaluate. Okay. What is going on? Because, obviously, whatever it is that I'm doing right now Is not working. No. And so I have to literally do anything else, but what I'm doing right now. Yeah. A good place to start Is finding a high value skill like you said, and then doing that as a job.

Ryan Maruyama [00:19:26]:

Doesn't matter. And you had a really good suggestion. Sales is always necessary. It's necessary in every business, everywhere. Learn how to sell and go sell your off. Yeah. Go sell, sell, sell, sell, sell, sell.

Hannah Maruyama [00:19:42]:

And pay down debt as fast as possible. Yep. At the risk of sounding like Dave Ramsey.

Ryan Maruyama [00:19:46]:

When you're done Paying that off?

Hannah Maruyama [00:19:48]:

Go back to your photography.

Ryan Maruyama [00:19:49]:

Yeah. Go back to doing whatever it is that you're gonna do.

Hannah Maruyama [00:19:51]:

When you go back to your photography, do not buy a master's degree. When you go back to your photography, Oh, I wanna be a photographer. Okay. The correct line here is go buy a camera. Okay? For those of you that have got kids that are like, I wanna go into photography. I'm gonna go get a no. No. No.

Hannah Maruyama [00:20:06]:

No. No. We don't buy photography degrees. We don't buy film degrees. We go get cameras. We go buy cameras. This is the first thing that we do. If your child if this comes out of their mouth, the first thing they do As they go and you buy them a camera or better yet, you make them buy a camera.

Hannah Maruyama [00:20:18]:

You make them work to do something to buy a camera, and then you help them Find editing software, and then you let them see if they actually pursue that for 1. And then 2, if your kid wants to make money doing that, the first thing you do is you take Free portrait photos of family and friends for free, and then you slowly start charging $50 and then $100, and then you post about it on social media and you see if you get any interest. Let them improve. Let them edit. Let them learn how to do it. That's how you test that. If they wanna do stills, if they wanna do nature, if they wanna do whatever, They go take those photos. They edit them, and then they try to sell them on a stock photo website.

Hannah Maruyama [00:20:50]:

That is the correct line of action to test that. We don't buy degrees in these things before we actually They do them. It is insane.

Ryan Maruyama [00:20:58]:

Yeah. I have a friend. He might be listening to this podcast right now that has a degree in film, and He actually did employ his degree. He did film editing for, like, 10 years. He will be the 1st to tell you That so many people in the industry, so many people that he worked around didn't have college degrees Because you don't need a college degree for that type of work. You don't. What you need is work. You need a solid portfolio of work.

Ryan Maruyama [00:21:30]:

You need to go and do whatever it is that you wanna do in that industry. You wanna be a photographer? Go and take photographs. You wanna be a videographer? Go and shoot some video. You wanna be a director? Go and direct some videos. You know what I mean? You wanna be a producer? Go produce things. Like, that is what you have to do in order to get into that type of work and into those fields. I know that it sounds Very, very rudimentary. But, obviously, you know what I mean? Like, people still need to hear it because then you go and you get a film degree and you get a photography degree, and you

Hannah Maruyama [00:22:04]:

still have to do that, by the way.

Ryan Maruyama [00:22:06]:

Wait. After you get those things and you do work in those industries just like how my friend worked in that industry, When you get there, you're gonna find that there are people there that have been there for the five and a half years that you were in college.

Speaker C [00:22:19]:

And they're better than you. You were in college Learning how to tap kegs. Watching Citizen Kane.

Ryan Maruyama [00:22:25]:

You know what I mean? Like, you were doing that, and they were here working.

Hannah Maruyama [00:22:29]:

And glow. And they know people,

Speaker C [00:22:30]:

and they have references.

Ryan Maruyama [00:22:31]:

The same job. Yeah. You have the same job. That person might even make more money than you because they have 5 years of doing that.

Hannah Maruyama [00:22:38]:

They're probably going to. I just did an interview on a Detroit NBC station, and the producer that was on talked about how he worked his way up, and the news anchor was actually talking to him. Like, after the interview was over, the news anchor was actually talking to him about how he had worked his way up. He's made good. Right? He's a producer. He's a television news producer, but he just got on set. He started working. That's what you do.

Hannah Maruyama [00:22:59]:

And he's like, this is the way that you do it. And he actually talked about his experience a little bit. So for those of you that whose kids wanna be in, like, sports or TV production or or radio, that's a big thing. Literally, walk your kid into that place or have your kid better yet, have your kid walk themselves into that place and try to get work. It doesn't matter if it's for free at first. That industry, especially, it's all people. It's all people. It's all who you know.

Hannah Maruyama [00:23:22]:

It's all where you are being in the room. Like, Go get your kid in that environment. Get them exposed to that work. Let them start knowing people who work in the industry, because that's how they're gonna learn.

Ryan Maruyama [00:23:31]:

Yep. I think I'm really excited for this episode to come out, and I'm really excited for you guys to hear it. I'm excited to get your feedback. As always, go to YouTube, Comment. Let me know how this was. I think this was a heater.

Hannah Maruyama [00:23:45]:

I think it was too. I liked it. I like it. Would do again.

Ryan Maruyama [00:23:48]:

Would do again. Awesome. Until next week, guys.

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